Why no military vessel designs like this...?
Why no military vessel designs like this...?
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rhinochopig

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17,932 posts

221 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Why has the semi-submersible design never really been pursued for military vessels?

It's a bit of an open debate this, but I've really seen convincing argument as to why not. The pro's "seem" to outweigh the cons.

For example, if you took a semi submersible twin hull design, and ran it hull down, it would have a massively smaller heat sig and radar x section than say Type 45. Pump out the ballast and run in a hull up config and the speed would be similar to T45.

So what am I missing?

tank slapper

7,949 posts

306 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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That is effectively what early submarines were like - they were surface craft that happened to be able to go underwater for a short period.

A semi-submersible would be a lot more complicated than a traditional ship. You would need some method of trim control, like a submarine. You would massively increase your fuel consumption by running with most of the hull underwater through increased surface area, while not gaining the advantage that a submarine has of avoiding making waves, which takes a lot of energy.

Given the use of modern sensor systems, I don't know whether you would be able to reduce the signature of such a vessel enough to make it worth while.

Flintstone

8,644 posts

270 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Aircraft carriers would be.....interesting though biggrin

shouldbworking

4,791 posts

235 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Whilst semi submersible seems complicated for not a great deal of benefit I do wonder why Lockheeds research into Sea Shadow didnt cause greater interest.

The Skunk Works book puts it down to Navy politics but surely that can't be it can it?


DrTre

12,957 posts

255 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Is that jesus christ in the background? Wearing an orange jacket?

Simpo Two

91,326 posts

288 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Flintstone said:
Aircraft carriers would be.....interesting though biggrin
Been done, well sort of: http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/JapaneseSubmarineI-4...

fadeaway

1,463 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th September 2010
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Simpo Two said:
Flintstone said:
Aircraft carriers would be.....interesting though biggrin
Been done, well sort of: http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/JapaneseSubmarineI-4...
Actually that's not a bad idea for us. We'll only be able to afford a couple of planes for the new carriers anyway...

andy97

4,780 posts

245 months

Wednesday 8th September 2010
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Some of the TAGOS surveillance ships were SWATH hulls (Small Waterplane Twin Hull) which were effectively twin semi-submersible hulls. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/shi...

Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 8th September 06:17

anonymous-user

77 months

Wednesday 8th September 2010
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DrTre said:
Is that jesus christ in the background? Wearing an orange jacket?
Nope, that's a chap standing on the bridge of a real stealth boat.
The one in the foreground is just a mock-up.