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Fancy a 4x4 of some kind so I can waft up and down the motorway when needed and use as a daily driver for all the normal stuff - shopping, taking dog for walk etc etc.
Want some luxury more than utility as I doubt it will ever see anything but tarmac - guess just want a nice comfortable motor with high drive position.
Probably buying second hand
Was thinking of Audi Q5, VW Toureg or RR Sport. Only issue with RR is "will it be reliable"?
Interested in any feedback/comments on the list above or if I should look at anything else (Cayenne Diesel for example?)
Want some luxury more than utility as I doubt it will ever see anything but tarmac - guess just want a nice comfortable motor with high drive position.
Probably buying second hand
Was thinking of Audi Q5, VW Toureg or RR Sport. Only issue with RR is "will it be reliable"?
Interested in any feedback/comments on the list above or if I should look at anything else (Cayenne Diesel for example?)
Q5 to me seems to be a tardis in reverse - huge on the outside but feels cramped inside.
Apparently there is a long wait list for the Porsche diesel, so I expect that will be keeping used prices high at the moment.
Personally not a fan of the RRS, if you want to do Range Rover then do it properly...
Two you have missed off the list are the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML.
I have a E53 X5 and if I was in the market to get something newer right now, these are the only two I would look at.
Apparently there is a long wait list for the Porsche diesel, so I expect that will be keeping used prices high at the moment.
Personally not a fan of the RRS, if you want to do Range Rover then do it properly...
Two you have missed off the list are the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML.
I have a E53 X5 and if I was in the market to get something newer right now, these are the only two I would look at.
If you're even considering the RRS, then go for it you'll love it.
Wafts much better than the others mentioned. Pleasure on Mways, A & B roads, pootles round town and a piece of piss to park. Plus half the country will hate you.
Reliability isn't that bad, had mine 3 years and never let me down at the side of the road or home. Plenty of error messages and a few parts replaced, so a warranty would be preferrable. If older than 3yrs the LR warranty is comprehensive if expensive, others are cheaper.
The FFRR is the Daddy, but it's like steering a yacht compared to the RRS road manners.
Wafts much better than the others mentioned. Pleasure on Mways, A & B roads, pootles round town and a piece of piss to park. Plus half the country will hate you.
Reliability isn't that bad, had mine 3 years and never let me down at the side of the road or home. Plenty of error messages and a few parts replaced, so a warranty would be preferrable. If older than 3yrs the LR warranty is comprehensive if expensive, others are cheaper.
The FFRR is the Daddy, but it's like steering a yacht compared to the RRS road manners.
Edited by Greenpis on Wednesday 8th September 12:47
Stitch said:
Q5 to me seems to be a tardis in reverse - huge on the outside but feels cramped inside.
Apparently there is a long wait list for the Porsche diesel, so I expect that will be keeping used prices high at the moment.
Personally not a fan of the RRS, if you want to do Range Rover then do it properly...
Two you have missed off the list are the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML.
I have a E53 X5 and if I was in the market to get something newer right now, these are the only two I would look at.
Thanks for that. I probably need to go drive an ML and an X5. I'll be trading in a BMW Coupe so fancied a different make for a change but.... driving is what it's all about!Apparently there is a long wait list for the Porsche diesel, so I expect that will be keeping used prices high at the moment.
Personally not a fan of the RRS, if you want to do Range Rover then do it properly...
Two you have missed off the list are the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML.
I have a E53 X5 and if I was in the market to get something newer right now, these are the only two I would look at.
The RR Sport handles remarkably well for 2.5 tons of lofty 4X4. If you can handle the bling image I'd seriously consider one.
At the risk of stating the obvious, have you thought about a big high-spec estate car? It'll give as much waft, every bit as much space and significantly better fuel economy and you can even get 4WD variants. A secondhand RS6 Avant would make a very cool workhorse (and the 'lesser' super estates will undercut the running costs of a prestige 4X4).
At the risk of stating the obvious, have you thought about a big high-spec estate car? It'll give as much waft, every bit as much space and significantly better fuel economy and you can even get 4WD variants. A secondhand RS6 Avant would make a very cool workhorse (and the 'lesser' super estates will undercut the running costs of a prestige 4X4).
Chris71 said:
The RR Sport handles remarkably well for 2.5 tons of lofty 4X4. If you can handle the bling image I'd seriously consider one.
At the risk of stating the obvious, have you thought about a big high-spec estate car? It'll give as much waft, every bit as much space and significantly better fuel economy and you can even get 4WD variants. A secondhand RS6 Avant would make a very cool workhorse (and the 'lesser' super estates will undercut the running costs of a prestige 4X4).
I had considered...BUT.... I just love the high seating position of 4x4. At the risk of stating the obvious, have you thought about a big high-spec estate car? It'll give as much waft, every bit as much space and significantly better fuel economy and you can even get 4WD variants. A secondhand RS6 Avant would make a very cool workhorse (and the 'lesser' super estates will undercut the running costs of a prestige 4X4).
Lefty said:
I don't really get the whole tarmac-only SUV thing but, of all the ones I've driven, the X5 has probably the best balance of handling, ride, comfort and reliability.
Me neither 
However, sometimes logic just has to go out the window. I'm also looking for a house at present and I guess if I get a 4x4 I can include remote houses more 
I am looking at replacing my current car with a 4x4 myself and Lexus RX400h ticks all th eboxes for me:
no congestion charge
fantastic fuel economy
0-60 7.5 secs
more toys than I currently have
very comfy place to be in apparently.
Looks nice (though I guess that is debatable as is my current car)
no congestion charge
fantastic fuel economy
0-60 7.5 secs
more toys than I currently have
very comfy place to be in apparently.
Looks nice (though I guess that is debatable as is my current car)
garyhun said:
I had considered...BUT.... I just love the high seating position of 4x4.
With you there, I love the higher seating position and would struggle to go back to something lower now. Makes driving so much easier being able to look passed the couple of cars in front and anticipate what's happening next, change lanes to avoid obstuctions.
Oh, and looking down on people.
Chris71 said:
A secondhand RS6 Avant would make a very cool workhorse (and the 'lesser' super estates will undercut the running costs of a prestige 4X4).
Friend of mine has an RS6 and a Cayenne V6, he's owned the RS6 for a couple of years now and the Cayenne is a recent purchase due to his expanding family. He was intending to only drive the Cayenne when he was on ferrying duty but as soon as they bought it the RS6 got relegated to the back of the drive and only gets brought out on special occasions or for a quick blast to keep everything working. He prefers the (much) cheaper running costs and the day to day driving aspects of the porker.
I had the same decision to make a couple of years ago and the one thing I would say is drive the ones you are interested in. They all look good in various ways, but it's what a car that size is like to drive.
I went for a used 2.7TD RRS in the end and it's been really good as an everyday car from moving sofas to moving all the various baby stuff I have to these days. MPG is good and nice comfortable ride on long trips.
I went for a used 2.7TD RRS in the end and it's been really good as an everyday car from moving sofas to moving all the various baby stuff I have to these days. MPG is good and nice comfortable ride on long trips.
PompeyM3 said:
I had the same decision to make a couple of years ago and the one thing I would say is drive the ones you are interested in. They all look good in various ways, but it's what a car that size is like to drive.
I went for a used 2.7TD RRS in the end and it's been really good as an everyday car from moving sofas to moving all the various baby stuff I have to these days. MPG is good and nice comfortable ride on long trips.
Good advice. I've got 2 drives sorted for Friday and will organise a few for the week after.I went for a used 2.7TD RRS in the end and it's been really good as an everyday car from moving sofas to moving all the various baby stuff I have to these days. MPG is good and nice comfortable ride on long trips.
My wife was in the market for something like you're considering. We wanted some concession towards economy and a car no older than 2 years and 20K miles. Within our budget this left us with:
BMW X5 3.0 V6 diesel
RR-Sport TDV6
Mercedes ML320CDi
VW Toureg 3-litre V6 diesel
The Q7 was still too new to have fallen within our budget, and the RR-S TDV8 too expensive all round.
We chose the ML because the BMW was relatively small inside, the RR-S was slow (it's only a 2.7 compared with the others at 3-litre, and is half a tonne heavier than the others), and the VW not really as upmarket (interior) as the others.
We had a lot of other gripes about the RR-s, particularly the dealers (who can sell every car they have, so tend to be hard work to deal with) and the general fit & finish inside. If we wanted something to handle off-road situations then it would have weighted our decision more in favour, but as it stands the Merc is a better car on the road (more powerful, lighter, no reliability concerns - real or imagined) and even has genuinely decent off-road capabilities - even if they're nothing like those of the RR-S.
Quite by accident the ML we bought happened to have the powered tailgate too. This is a very cool gadget.
Items the Merc doesn't have that we liked on the RR-S are:
Overall we have found that since buying the ML we have strengthened our belief that it was the right decision. I have since been out in a couple of high-spec Landies (Disco-3 and RR-S TDV8) and was impressed with their ride quality over the ML but felt the ML was still a more tightly-screwed-together car.
My ultimate daily driver might well be a Disco with the TDV8 though. Nice and powerful, still more fuel efficient than my Scooby, and has 7-seats. Unfortunately Land Rover don't make this configuration to I'll wait until I win the lottery when I can buy a new Cayenne turbo for £112K.
BMW X5 3.0 V6 diesel
RR-Sport TDV6
Mercedes ML320CDi
VW Toureg 3-litre V6 diesel
The Q7 was still too new to have fallen within our budget, and the RR-S TDV8 too expensive all round.
We chose the ML because the BMW was relatively small inside, the RR-S was slow (it's only a 2.7 compared with the others at 3-litre, and is half a tonne heavier than the others), and the VW not really as upmarket (interior) as the others.
We had a lot of other gripes about the RR-s, particularly the dealers (who can sell every car they have, so tend to be hard work to deal with) and the general fit & finish inside. If we wanted something to handle off-road situations then it would have weighted our decision more in favour, but as it stands the Merc is a better car on the road (more powerful, lighter, no reliability concerns - real or imagined) and even has genuinely decent off-road capabilities - even if they're nothing like those of the RR-S.
Quite by accident the ML we bought happened to have the powered tailgate too. This is a very cool gadget.
Items the Merc doesn't have that we liked on the RR-S are:
- Air suspension - the RR-S glides along. To get this on the ML you need to get one with the off-road package which seems rare (couldn't find any mention of it in those available 2nd hand).
- Towbar - I think all Landies come with them as standard whereas it's a £600 option on the ML, which turns into an £1800 installation if you want Mercedes to install it for you after sale. There are cheaper aftermarket installations but I have an on-going question mark over the differences between those and the Merc installation.
Overall we have found that since buying the ML we have strengthened our belief that it was the right decision. I have since been out in a couple of high-spec Landies (Disco-3 and RR-S TDV8) and was impressed with their ride quality over the ML but felt the ML was still a more tightly-screwed-together car.
My ultimate daily driver might well be a Disco with the TDV8 though. Nice and powerful, still more fuel efficient than my Scooby, and has 7-seats. Unfortunately Land Rover don't make this configuration to I'll wait until I win the lottery when I can buy a new Cayenne turbo for £112K.
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