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Ok, maybe I'm getting tight with my money, or maybe I'm stupid or just maybe I'm just not an idiot.
But what the hell has happened to the prices of Delta Evos?
Ten years ago when I was seriously looking at buying one they were around the £8000.00 ...... and that was a minter of an EVO2.
Most even then were rotting away quite happily, being raced around by chavs with not enough pocket money to service them, amd all were either high mileage and wearing out fast or Jap imports with no mileage or history because they had all been clocked before setting sail for Blighty.
Now just for a change I'm having a look at the classified ads on here and for the first time in years I thought a quick look at EVOs and I can't believe the prices.
Where are all these 'guaranteed' low mileage Jap imports coming from and how the hell can they guarantee the mileage? I have never known a Jap EVO come with history.
£25000.00 plus ...... some are up for, it looks £17000.00 minimum for any EVO Jap or not is the norm .... this for a car which was rotton ten years ago and alot of the body parts are no longer available, some were scarce years ago. Part of the
reason I didn't buy one.
EVO I & II absolutly fantastic cars ...... but no way to my mind are they worth the silly prices they are being (and sold for I guess) advertised for.
I'm just glad I'm not looking to buy, I'd be gutted if I was.
Emperor and new clothes comes to mind. People must be barmy
Rant over
But what the hell has happened to the prices of Delta Evos?
Ten years ago when I was seriously looking at buying one they were around the £8000.00 ...... and that was a minter of an EVO2.
Most even then were rotting away quite happily, being raced around by chavs with not enough pocket money to service them, amd all were either high mileage and wearing out fast or Jap imports with no mileage or history because they had all been clocked before setting sail for Blighty.
Now just for a change I'm having a look at the classified ads on here and for the first time in years I thought a quick look at EVOs and I can't believe the prices.
Where are all these 'guaranteed' low mileage Jap imports coming from and how the hell can they guarantee the mileage? I have never known a Jap EVO come with history.
£25000.00 plus ...... some are up for, it looks £17000.00 minimum for any EVO Jap or not is the norm .... this for a car which was rotton ten years ago and alot of the body parts are no longer available, some were scarce years ago. Part of the
reason I didn't buy one.
EVO I & II absolutly fantastic cars ...... but no way to my mind are they worth the silly prices they are being (and sold for I guess) advertised for.
I'm just glad I'm not looking to buy, I'd be gutted if I was.
Emperor and new clothes comes to mind. People must be barmy
Rant over
Edited by Wozy68 on Thursday 9th September 16:57
top gear. and as for japan, there are a couple of uk guys who import only the best. head over to www.evoforum.net for a look. or http://forums.delphiforums.com/evoforum/messages/?...
but you are right, great cars.
but you are right, great cars.
only the past 12 months they really have gone silly.
late 2008 I picked up my 1st, Evo I with 67k miles FSH in VVGC for £7500 (monza with beige) £7500
early 2009 I picked up my EvoII with 75k miles FSH VGC again apart from rear sub frame welding needed (stored for 2 yrs) £9000
Both those cars are now worth 30-40% more in the UK and a whopping 90% more in europe.
I think the euro market has allot to do with the price hike, also investors are turning to cars for their portfolios, more high end exotica but this does trickle down the car chain
late 2008 I picked up my 1st, Evo I with 67k miles FSH in VVGC for £7500 (monza with beige) £7500
early 2009 I picked up my EvoII with 75k miles FSH VGC again apart from rear sub frame welding needed (stored for 2 yrs) £9000
Both those cars are now worth 30-40% more in the UK and a whopping 90% more in europe.
I think the euro market has allot to do with the price hike, also investors are turning to cars for their portfolios, more high end exotica but this does trickle down the car chain
What a silly rant, mines not rotten?
Don't forget 10 years ago there were more cars around so cheaper, many were exported a few years ago when the £ dropped, hence the Jap imports and lack of good UK cars.
How about the Mc f1, now 3 million + if ypu can find one, good value?
Fancy buying my Evo 1 then
Evo 1 around 12k is still cheap for such a rare car, and nothing come close. ( Lambo owner here )
Also check the R5 Turbo 2, 8 years ago 6k, now 25k +
Don't forget 10 years ago there were more cars around so cheaper, many were exported a few years ago when the £ dropped, hence the Jap imports and lack of good UK cars.
How about the Mc f1, now 3 million + if ypu can find one, good value?
Fancy buying my Evo 1 then
Evo 1 around 12k is still cheap for such a rare car, and nothing come close. ( Lambo owner here )
Also check the R5 Turbo 2, 8 years ago 6k, now 25k +
superkartracer said:
What a silly rant, mines not rotten?
Don't forget 10 years ago there were more cars around so cheaper, many were exported a few years ago when the £ dropped, hence the Jap imports and lack of good UK cars.
How about the Mc f1, now 3 million + if ypu can find one, good value?
Fancy buying my Evo 1 then
Evo 1 around 12k is still cheap for such a rare car, and nothing come close. ( Lambo owner here )
Also check the R5 Turbo 2, 8 years ago 6k, now 25k +
My 16V 89 Integrale (non Evo, same engine) was rotton to MOT failure by 1999, my mates EVO1 rotted in the same place, mine was beyond repair, his survived and cost a fortune. .... BOTH were around 10 years old. Mine was ex France, his Italy.Don't forget 10 years ago there were more cars around so cheaper, many were exported a few years ago when the £ dropped, hence the Jap imports and lack of good UK cars.
How about the Mc f1, now 3 million + if ypu can find one, good value?
Fancy buying my Evo 1 then
Evo 1 around 12k is still cheap for such a rare car, and nothing come close. ( Lambo owner here )
Also check the R5 Turbo 2, 8 years ago 6k, now 25k +
Main areas of rot (if I remember correctly)
Rear of roof (Above rear tailgate) Tailgate, rear floor, rear wheel arches. Stress fractures etc etc.
If the roof has been repaired (I believe at one time there was a repair panel available) it WILL fail again, normally by the time its noticed, its to late to repair.
All Lancias rust of that era, if it aint rotton now its either been garaged all its life or (as is usual) the crap is hidden behind shiney paint.
How many have gone back abroad? Not as many have gone back to compared to how many were imported. There are still lots about.
It was well known in the nineties that Jap imports were s
te, bullst mileage and either bullst history or none at all. This when the cars were only a few years old. Nothing as changed there, how can a garage state 100% accurate mileage for a Jap import? ..... answer, most if not all can't .............. but they still charge a fortune and people are being suckered.Thousands of Integrales, how many F1s?
Ok take your point, but how many Turbo 2s did they build?
Love to buy your EVO1, I'll give you £8000.00 cause an EVO1 aint worth more than that. Ok £10000 if its a minter, a 16V and UK or Europe spec. Not German or Swiss 8V though
One of the fastest point to point cars, absolutly and I understand that they are a special car, but there are still to many about to be rare enough to command the prices they are becoming. What about the Porsche 968 Club Sport? only 174 RHD ever built, Performance car best handling winner 1993 ...... right in the middle of the EVO era, yet they are nowhere near the prices of some EVOS. Ok not like for like par se, however a very rare with performance to match.
Anyway I was just gobsmacked at the prices and I'm old enough to remember what happened last time 'classic' car prices shot up, and the full out when they crashed. I just hope people don't get burned who just have been silly paying over the odds just to own one.
£25000.00 plus for a EVO? Fools with to much money, every one of them
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 10th September 19:00
The (genuine) specialists tend to rate the Japanese import Evo's even if some of them don't stock them. They are generally rot free. There are a couple of companies that have appeared fairly recently selling Jap imports. They have paid top dollar for them and so are having to hold out on price to turn a profit.
My 1993 Evo 2 with 121000 kms is not rusty. In fact it is very sound and has all the usual places inspected regularly. Part of the reason that values are on the up is that alot of the bad ones have fallen by the wayside leaving generally good and looked after examples about.(there are always exceptions though)
Top Gear had and effect on prices and so has the Euro. Many cars are going back abroad.
I agree anything over £17K seems a hell of a lot of money, even for a great Evo2, but perhaps thats why some of the cars advertised on PH have been there for a while.
(PS only approx 1200 Evo 2's made plus limited editions...... they are not that common)
My 1993 Evo 2 with 121000 kms is not rusty. In fact it is very sound and has all the usual places inspected regularly. Part of the reason that values are on the up is that alot of the bad ones have fallen by the wayside leaving generally good and looked after examples about.(there are always exceptions though)
Top Gear had and effect on prices and so has the Euro. Many cars are going back abroad.
I agree anything over £17K seems a hell of a lot of money, even for a great Evo2, but perhaps thats why some of the cars advertised on PH have been there for a while.
(PS only approx 1200 Evo 2's made plus limited editions...... they are not that common)
Edited by andy-integrale on Friday 10th September 20:53
Hmmmm
I frankly don't care how much they are fetching as when I bought mine I bought it because I love them. It really doesn't matter whether you agree with how much they are worth or not - the fact is......they are coz buyers will pay that much!
They are rare....for a good one - and there are good ones around. Not often coz us owners tend to keep them.
Anyway - you think that Evo's have gone up - my LP640 Roadster has gone up £30k - long live the Euro and market forces
;)
Neil
I frankly don't care how much they are fetching as when I bought mine I bought it because I love them. It really doesn't matter whether you agree with how much they are worth or not - the fact is......they are coz buyers will pay that much!
They are rare....for a good one - and there are good ones around. Not often coz us owners tend to keep them.
Anyway - you think that Evo's have gone up - my LP640 Roadster has gone up £30k - long live the Euro and market forces
;)Neil
As andy-integrale says, generally the good ones tend to be left now. And when I say good, I mean cars where the owner treats the car like his own child. (Like mine!) If someone offered me 25k for it, I wouldn't take it....
As to whether they're *that* good, in short they are. I have owned some special cars costing multiples more than my 'grale, but nothing other than my race GT3 comes close for tactility, feedback and presence.
As to whether they're *that* good, in short they are. I have owned some special cars costing multiples more than my 'grale, but nothing other than my race GT3 comes close for tactility, feedback and presence.
Persoanlly I think the rise in values is well overdue and heading to were they should be. Look at the values of MK1/MK2 escorts, Audi Quattros etc, decent ones are fetching well over £10K. The humble little Lancia is the only car in history to win 6 straight WRC's and a true Icon. So what if they rusted, most of the worlds icons have needed some work at some point before their values headed skyward.
I'm on my 6th integrale and it was to be a keeper but my circumstances unfortunately have changed and it's on the market. I make no apologies for the high price for 3 reasons, I may have to let it go but I'm not in desperate need to at the moment, I put a lot into it including money to make it as good as I could as it was to be my keeper, and while prices are high I'm not going to give the car away.
But I have to admit myself that I have been surprised at how quickly values have rocketed in recent months and at the amount of low mileage ones that have suddenly appeared.
Original Fiat 500's are heading the same direction to.
I'm on my 6th integrale and it was to be a keeper but my circumstances unfortunately have changed and it's on the market. I make no apologies for the high price for 3 reasons, I may have to let it go but I'm not in desperate need to at the moment, I put a lot into it including money to make it as good as I could as it was to be my keeper, and while prices are high I'm not going to give the car away.
But I have to admit myself that I have been surprised at how quickly values have rocketed in recent months and at the amount of low mileage ones that have suddenly appeared.
Original Fiat 500's are heading the same direction to.
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But I have to admit myself that I have been surprised at how quickly values have rocketed in recent months and at the amount of low mileage ones that have suddenly appeared..
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The above statement tells it all really. A very steep price increase all of a sudden and the influx of very low mileage examples available.
I have a long history with Lancias and when I seriously was looking for a good ..... no great one at the end of the nineties there were very few around (even the later EVO2s were being badly abused and they were only around 5 - 7 years old at the time, or otherwise being held with collectors)
Neil Smith of NJS (I believe one of the finest specialists of servicing/rebuilding Italian cars in the UK) and I even discussed then going over to Italy to find one because the imported cars were so poor ........ don't forget this was 10 years ago.
The one thing which never entered the conversation was an imported Jap EVO (Easy to tell even if they have changed the lights because of the different position of the side indicators on the wings) they then were junk, absolutly junk.
You have to understand the way cars were treated in Japan around that time and the strict MOT (after 3 years I think)) they have there to understand it fully, but the thing is most Japs don't (or didn;t then) care about a car after it reaches a certain age. ........ within reason whatever the car.
Thats why they rarely have any history, have mostly only been serviced for the first three years of their life (if at all)and so no history there after.
It was common then that they were clocked to increase value at auction, just like any car ......... and the best were already here that wern't.
Now after not looking in the classifieds for awhile it seems a load of 'guaranteed low mileage' imported Jap EVOs have suddenly appeared on the market from dealers who were not in the market of selling a specialised car like an EVO a few years ago, selling these imports for crazy money.
Unless they have found a warehouse full of: ....... in storage for fifteen years low mileage shrink wrapped EVOs.
Then of course I stand corrected..
But I have to admit myself that I have been surprised at how quickly values have rocketed in recent months and at the amount of low mileage ones that have suddenly appeared..
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The above statement tells it all really. A very steep price increase all of a sudden and the influx of very low mileage examples available.
I have a long history with Lancias and when I seriously was looking for a good ..... no great one at the end of the nineties there were very few around (even the later EVO2s were being badly abused and they were only around 5 - 7 years old at the time, or otherwise being held with collectors)
Neil Smith of NJS (I believe one of the finest specialists of servicing/rebuilding Italian cars in the UK) and I even discussed then going over to Italy to find one because the imported cars were so poor ........ don't forget this was 10 years ago.
The one thing which never entered the conversation was an imported Jap EVO (Easy to tell even if they have changed the lights because of the different position of the side indicators on the wings) they then were junk, absolutly junk.
You have to understand the way cars were treated in Japan around that time and the strict MOT (after 3 years I think)) they have there to understand it fully, but the thing is most Japs don't (or didn;t then) care about a car after it reaches a certain age. ........ within reason whatever the car.
Thats why they rarely have any history, have mostly only been serviced for the first three years of their life (if at all)and so no history there after.
It was common then that they were clocked to increase value at auction, just like any car ......... and the best were already here that wern't.
Now after not looking in the classifieds for awhile it seems a load of 'guaranteed low mileage' imported Jap EVOs have suddenly appeared on the market from dealers who were not in the market of selling a specialised car like an EVO a few years ago, selling these imports for crazy money.
Unless they have found a warehouse full of: ....... in storage for fifteen years low mileage shrink wrapped EVOs.
Then of course I stand corrected..
Maranellohouse, gutted your having to sell it, I watched your build progress and sent you something once, looks fantastic, Im sure you will be buying another one, once they are in the blood Still got my Evo rather eat my arm than ever sell it, take it out on a sunday give it some leather, come home feeling on top of the world that you own the most iconic rally car ever.
Nick
Still got my Evo rather eat my arm than ever sell it, take it out on a sunday give it some leather, come home feeling on top of the world that you own the most iconic rally car ever. Nick
superkartracer said:
Wozy68, simply don't buy one then i guess
I wasn't, I was just gobsmacked at how the market had changed, and suprised at all these low mileage examples which have been found all of a sudden and that are now for sale.I just felt people may be getting ripped off and wondered what others might have to think on that.
Anyway keep on driving, and if your lucky enough to own an EVO ....... enjoy.
Wozy68 said:
superkartracer said:
Wozy68, simply don't buy one then i guess
I wasn't, I was just gobsmacked at how the market had changed, and suprised at all these low mileage examples which have been found all of a sudden and that are now for sale.I just felt people may be getting ripped off and wondered what others might have to think on that.
Anyway keep on driving, and if your lucky enough to own an EVO ....... enjoy.
On another note, over the years i've seen maybe 3 on the road, never seen boy-racers owning them either.
Think there are two in the UK maybe 30 worldwide of my car's color.
But yes cracking drivers cars
superkartracer said:
On another note, over the years i've seen maybe 3 on the road, never seen boy-racers owning them either.
Think there are two in the UK maybe 30 worldwide of my car's color.
Out of interest, what colour is your car?Think there are two in the UK maybe 30 worldwide of my car's color.
It always gives me a thrill to know that there are fewer of my car (giallo ginestra) than any "mass-produced" Ferrari.
As for this stuff about low mileage, for me mileage is a red herring. At this age, condition is paramount. In fact, I would actively avoid cars with garage queen status. Anything rubber on the car may be hopelessly perished and you would probably spend the first year of "proper" usage trailering the car home with popped hoses, cracked bushes, failed engine mounts, etc etc, not to mention the niggling electric failures that come from wiring made of cheese.
me in my 45k mile immaculate, EvoII 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yN1G4eSY34
of course it was thoroughly cleaned afterwards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yN1G4eSY34
of course it was thoroughly cleaned afterwards
Simply to explain about prices.. Integrales from factory went only LHD, so there is a lot lovers outside UK who wants them. More potencial customers. For example compare price RHD UR Quattro in UK and LHD in Germany.
I have not EVO 16v, and comparing with evo it has not so much differences from technical side, just better look. But costs 2x more.
So you pay twice almost just for look.
And also not much them left alive nowdays, much of them roten and striped for parts, much crashed, much modyfied and used for motorsport.
I have not EVO 16v, and comparing with evo it has not so much differences from technical side, just better look. But costs 2x more.
So you pay twice almost just for look.
And also not much them left alive nowdays, much of them roten and striped for parts, much crashed, much modyfied and used for motorsport.
Pvapour said:
me in my 45k mile immaculate, EvoII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yN1G4eSY34
of course it was thoroughly cleaned afterwards
I saw this vid - made me laugh. Fair play to yer - I would be too scared to my little baby snow and road salthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yN1G4eSY34
of course it was thoroughly cleaned afterwards
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Not really, i spent more on watches last week.
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Hmmmmm, that statement just about sums up the man.
Plus why get involved in this thread if you have that kind of money to spend ...... may aswell be talking the rise in prices of 2.7Rs's, obviously more your ballpark from a monetry point of view.
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