A question about relativity.
A question about relativity.
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Colin 1985

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Thursday 9th September 2010
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Eating dinner in front of the TV yesterday ‘bang goes the theory’ comes on and explains that if a passenger in a spaceship travels at 99% of light speed they will feel like a few hours have passed while the rest of us on earth will have experienced a week.

So my question is; if a passenger were to get in his spaceship and cruise at 99% of light speed for one year (as measured from Earth) then we would expect them to be 0.99 light years away. But for the passenger of the space ship only a month will have passed (for example), so when the passenger stops, from their perspective they would have travelled at 12 time light speed since they have moved about a light year, but have only experienced one month.

Where am I going wrong with this?

HOGEPH

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Thursday 9th September 2010
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Colin 1985 said:
Where am I going wrong with this?
Passenger spaceships haven't been invented yet.

davido140

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257 months

Thursday 9th September 2010
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Depends where the year was measured...

if the time was measured on the space ship they would have experienced a year, we would have experienced lots of years.


if the time was measure on earth they would have experienced a month (wild guess, dunno exactly how long), we would have experienced a year.


ewenm

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276 months

Thursday 9th September 2010
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Great book if you want to read about this sort of thing: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Does-mc2-Should-Care/d...

Written by the guy that did the Wonders of the Solar System TV series (Brian Cox).

Colin 1985

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Thursday 9th September 2010
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davido140 said:
Depends where the year was measured...

if the time was measured on the space ship they would have experienced a year, we would have experienced lots of years.


if the time was measure on earth they would have experienced a month (wild guess, dunno exactly how long), we would have experienced a year.
I get that bit - that the time is not the same for the two groups, but I'm questioning whether it is correct that from the spaceships point of view it has traveled faster than light.

ewenm

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Thursday 9th September 2010
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Colin 1985 said:
davido140 said:
Depends where the year was measured...

if the time was measured on the space ship they would have experienced a year, we would have experienced lots of years.


if the time was measure on earth they would have experienced a month (wild guess, dunno exactly how long), we would have experienced a year.
I get that bit - that the time is not the same for the two groups, but I'm questioning whether it is correct that from the spaceships point of view it has traveled faster than light.
This is one of the difficult bits - distance isn't constant either. Space-time is the invariant, not space (distance) or time.

Edited by ewenm on Thursday 9th September 19:55

spikeyhead

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Thursday 9th September 2010
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and all contracted by 1/(sqrt((1-(v^2)?(c^2)))

simples.

The special theory relates everything from a fixed point and with a single time. This is fairly easy to understand.

The general theory covers all cases, including how to move a clock from one place to the next and is far far more complex.