Manifold Question
Manifold Question
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GV

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2,366 posts

254 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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I'm planning to take the engine and box out in a few weeks. One of the jobs is to replace both manifolds. The question I have - is it better to fit both manifolds to the engine with the engine out - dropping the engine in with both manifolds fittted, or have them in situ dropping the engine in without them fitted?

This will be a first time job for me so any useful tips would be appreciated....

blaineuk

2,615 posts

277 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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drop the engine back in with the manifolds off, but put the manifolds on before you tighten the engine mounts up.

rev-erend

21,624 posts

314 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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As Blain say ...

Also - there is not the space to remove/add the engine with the manifolds attached.

Make sure you fit ARP manifold bolts - they do not rust and are smaller so easier to do up the akeward ones underneath.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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rev-erend said:
Make sure you fit ARP manifold bolts - they do not rust and are smaller so easier to do up the akeward ones underneath.
Have to agree, they are a lot better than standard ones.
Act do a set with some shake proof washers, useful as I noticed they had come loose on the racer.

GV

Original Poster:

2,366 posts

254 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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rev-erend said:
As Blain say ...

Also - there is not the space to remove/add the engine with the manifolds attached.

Make sure you fit ARP manifold bolts - they do not rust and are smaller so easier to do up the akeward ones underneath.
Not sure what ARP means but I was looking at some Stainless bolts from a supplier, his advice was to insert some S/S studs into the head and secure the manifolds using the supplied S/S nuts. Easier to do up and they won't rust. Any views?

Number 7

4,113 posts

292 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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I thought the ARP bolts were just HT, not SS. And if you are unlucky enough to shear one off, wont it be more difficult to remove? As for studs, I'm not sure that there would be sufficient clearance to get the manifold over them in situ.

7.

rev-erend

21,624 posts

314 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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GV said:
rev-erend said:
As Blain say ...

Also - there is not the space to remove/add the engine with the manifolds attached.

Make sure you fit ARP manifold bolts - they do not rust and are smaller so easier to do up the akeward ones underneath.
Not sure what ARP means but I was looking at some Stainless bolts from a supplier, his advice was to insert some S/S studs into the head and secure the manifolds using the supplied S/S nuts. Easier to do up and they won't rust. Any views?
Other than the manifolds will be next to impossible to fit onto the studs..

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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I think we are talking about these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ARP-Mettalic-gaskets-Nord-lo...

They are stainless, the link about includes gaskets, but they do just the bolts, if required.
I prefer to do the gaskets that RPI do.

wooly350i

2,248 posts

238 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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Agree that dropping offside manifold into position first is the right thing to do however i've found that the nearside one fits in and out with engine in situ,John

wild rover

449 posts

211 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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Remember to place the o/s manifold in place before bolting up the starter.

ed_crouch

1,169 posts

272 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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Dont buy studs. Please, dont. Fitting manifold studs to a wedge will turn you into a dribbling window-licker before you've even got the first header on!

They are damn tight with bolts, and I think if you fit studs, you'd probably have to lift the engine and remove the mountings to get them over the studs, and then the lower rows of nuts probably wouldnt go over the studs because of how the primary pipes bend.

When I built the Vixen, I tried studs, and very quickly went back to cap headed bolts for this reason, and that was only a Crossflow engine and there was plenty of bodywork/chassis clearance, it was just the piping that was severely in the way.

Bolts.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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ed_crouch said:
Dont buy studs. Please, dont. Fitting manifold studs to a wedge will turn you into a dribbling window-licker before you've even got the first header on!

They are damn tight with bolts, and I think if you fit studs, you'd probably have to lift the engine and remove the mountings to get them over the studs, and then the lower rows of nuts probably wouldnt go over the studs because of how the primary pipes bend.

When I built the Vixen, I tried studs, and very quickly went back to cap headed bolts for this reason, and that was only a Crossflow engine and there was plenty of bodywork/chassis clearance, it was just the piping that was severely in the way.

Bolts.
No one has said studs, if you look at the link I posted, there are bolts but will a reduced size head, so make a lot easier to get a spanner on them.

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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What about bolt - studs? This might sounds a little crazy but I did his on my 400SX a few years ago because someone had plainly stripped the thread one of manifold bolt head threads. This is what I did:

1. Tapped the hole out with an M10 tap.
2. Put in a very standard M10 bolt
3. On the bolt is a nut - so after the bolt bottoms in the hole I can tighten the nut onto the maifold.

It doesn't look sexy but it does the job, and I can take it out easily enough.