Your views? Overtaking in a 30 limit...
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Morning all,
Slightly enraged this morning. Coming in to a village with 30mph limit, sat behind four cars plus landrover towing horse box (at front of 'queue') All do 30, 911 Turbo (996 model) was in front of me, pulls out and decides to nail the lot. The overtake is effectively blind (due to left hand curve in road and horse box obscuring view) and car is kicking up dirt from right hand verge. School bus stop 400 yards further on, time is 08:20.
I personally thought this amounted to big time dangerous driving. Firstly, blind overtake, no room to duck in if oncoming traffic, secondly small rural village, driveways, children etc. Thirdly, car must have hit 50-60mph (if not more).
What are your views?
PS P1*EAU (if you're a PHer)- you may have a fast car but have the responsibility to go with it and don't drive like a tw$t - I can overtake in a 30mph zone too if I wanted.
Slightly enraged this morning. Coming in to a village with 30mph limit, sat behind four cars plus landrover towing horse box (at front of 'queue') All do 30, 911 Turbo (996 model) was in front of me, pulls out and decides to nail the lot. The overtake is effectively blind (due to left hand curve in road and horse box obscuring view) and car is kicking up dirt from right hand verge. School bus stop 400 yards further on, time is 08:20.
I personally thought this amounted to big time dangerous driving. Firstly, blind overtake, no room to duck in if oncoming traffic, secondly small rural village, driveways, children etc. Thirdly, car must have hit 50-60mph (if not more).
What are your views?
PS P1*EAU (if you're a PHer)- you may have a fast car but have the responsibility to go with it and don't drive like a tw$t - I can overtake in a 30mph zone too if I wanted.
I think the views will be a tad obvious.
I would over take in a 30 if safe to do so. I over take in a 40 on the way to work. I wait till the stretch that is free of junctions and then make the move. I only do it if the car in front is travelling a reasonable amount under 40 though since its only a couple of miles and then 30 zone followed by NSL.
I travel to work on rural roads at 6am.
I would over take in a 30 if safe to do so. I over take in a 40 on the way to work. I wait till the stretch that is free of junctions and then make the move. I only do it if the car in front is travelling a reasonable amount under 40 though since its only a couple of miles and then 30 zone followed by NSL.
I travel to work on rural roads at 6am.
jwo said:
Too right! I couldn't quite believe what I had witnessed - hence post!!!
What can you do about it though? Police said if you come down to the station we can take a statement.. and? his word against mine.
you are thinking about reporting someone to the police for overtaking in a 30mph zone? Is this a wind up? Do you report every driver on a mobile phone or the school run mother that parks on a bend creating a dangerous hazard?
Ok, he may have driven like a pr*ck for a split second, but reporting him to the police for it?????
there are some drivers that consider any overtaking maneovre agressive, even in a national speed limit area. How would you feel if they reported you to the police every time you overtook. So the guy did something idiotic, havent we all at some stage. For all you know, he could have been on his way to pick his wife up and rush her to hospital, albeit unlikely.
Chill out a bit.
Overtaking in a 30, in theory, should be no different to overtaking in a 40, 50, or 70. However, it clearly is, hence the reason why most people tend to refrain from outrageous overtakes of this nature.
Personally, some multiple overtakes can be perfectly safe and some can be suicidal. It depends on the prevailing conditions: the speed, the gap between the vehicles being overtaken, escape routes, etc..
I cannot remember the last time I did a multiple overtake in a 30 limit but it must have been over 5 years ago (younger and dafter).
The answer to catching such people though is (and I am sorry for continually banging on about this topic) more unmarked traffic cars.
Personally, some multiple overtakes can be perfectly safe and some can be suicidal. It depends on the prevailing conditions: the speed, the gap between the vehicles being overtaken, escape routes, etc..
I cannot remember the last time I did a multiple overtake in a 30 limit but it must have been over 5 years ago (younger and dafter).
The answer to catching such people though is (and I am sorry for continually banging on about this topic) more unmarked traffic cars.
shnozz,
admittedly we all do rash maneouvers and i have no problem with people driving quickly and safely.
however, this overtake was just dangerous. The blind distance overtake amounted to 150-200 yards if not more. I can understand overtaking one car in a 30, but not a whole stream of cars.
if you where out and about in tiv would you pull the same stunt?
The bottom line is this overtake was completely stupid and dangerous. I personally don't believe it's a matter of chilling out - fast driving, overtaking doesn't concern me at all (I do it, we all do it). I guess i was more concerned with the carnage that could have happened if there had been an oncoming car, someone have turned right, school kids on way to bus stop walking on right side of road etc etc.
admittedly we all do rash maneouvers and i have no problem with people driving quickly and safely.
however, this overtake was just dangerous. The blind distance overtake amounted to 150-200 yards if not more. I can understand overtaking one car in a 30, but not a whole stream of cars.
if you where out and about in tiv would you pull the same stunt?
The bottom line is this overtake was completely stupid and dangerous. I personally don't believe it's a matter of chilling out - fast driving, overtaking doesn't concern me at all (I do it, we all do it). I guess i was more concerned with the carnage that could have happened if there had been an oncoming car, someone have turned right, school kids on way to bus stop walking on right side of road etc etc.
I know when my bro was rushed to hospital in London I did some pretty dodgy manouvres getting there and gave a sorry wave to all. (By the way, thanks everyone for being understanding as I shouted "hospital" whilst squeezing through!)
As Ted usually says, there are 2 sides to every story. Perhaps he was in a rush, made a silly mistake or is a bit of a plonker.
I dont think one incident is worth reporting to the police. Consistant bad driving on every occasion is a different matter though.
As Ted usually says, there are 2 sides to every story. Perhaps he was in a rush, made a silly mistake or is a bit of a plonker.
I dont think one incident is worth reporting to the police. Consistant bad driving on every occasion is a different matter though.
jwo said:
shnozz,
admittedly we all do rash maneouvers and i have no problem with people driving quickly and safely.
however, this overtake was just dangerous. The blind distance overtake amounted to 150-200 yards if not more. I can understand overtaking one car in a 30, but not a whole stream of cars.
if you where out and about in tiv would you pull the same stunt?
The bottom line is this overtake was completely stupid and dangerous. I personally don't believe it's a matter of chilling out - fast driving, overtaking doesn't concern me at all (I do it, we all do it). I guess i was more concerned with the carnage that could have happened if there had been an oncoming car, someone have turned right, school kids on way to bus stop walking on right side of road etc etc.
i can understand what you are saying but you are using the "what if" school of thought and I'm afraid I dont have much time for all that.
No, I wouldnt have driven like that in the TVR or any car for that matter. In fact, because overtaking in a 30 limit is such an "issue" for me as much as the next person, I can remember the last time I did it. In that case I was trying to follow someone who knew the way and some old bint pulled out in between us and then sat at 20mph. The overtake in a 30 was such a rarity that me and said mate who I was following even mentionned it later that day.
Ok, so if you happen to notice the tw*t do this again right outside the school, maybe you have justification. But as it happened, largely due to luck maybe, this morning did not end in carnage. So leave it there and forget it, the same as we soon forget those moments when we ourselves have had a close shave whilst in the car. It might have been irresponsible driving leading to an accident. But it wasnt.
Yep, good point. He could have overtaken the other cars one by one prior to them catching up with the horse box and entering the village!
I can see why you think I am making a meal of this event, but having run through all the scenarios etc etc. my conclusion is he was just being dangerous.
I can see why you think I am making a meal of this event, but having run through all the scenarios etc etc. my conclusion is he was just being dangerous.
shnozz,
point taken exactly!
if we follow the 'what if' route one might as well stay in bed all day!
this event was, in my view (for what it's worth!) was beyond stupid.
Before people think I had a grudge against the bloke because of his car - coming off a corner with him behind me - signalled left when i saw it was clear so he could blat past. Always makes my morning to see supercar(?) having a blast!
point taken exactly!
if we follow the 'what if' route one might as well stay in bed all day!
this event was, in my view (for what it's worth!) was beyond stupid.
Before people think I had a grudge against the bloke because of his car - coming off a corner with him behind me - signalled left when i saw it was clear so he could blat past. Always makes my morning to see supercar(?) having a blast!
On a simmilar note, I travel to work on a lot of twisty B roads. Almost every morning I have the misfortune to see some complete cretin on a motorbike performing what are frankly breathtaking acts of stupidity. Overtaking on blind corners, over the tops of blind crests, or directly through oncomming traffic whilst riding along the white lines is literaly an everyday occurence.
He never overtakes quickly either, just cruises past gently, irrespective of the amount of danger he is putting himself and others into. The thing is, he's been doing this for a couple of years now, and I can scarcely belive he is not a bonnet ornament for a Volvo yet. He must be leading a charmed life, I can think of no other explanation.
I have been sorely tempted to call the plod on a couple of occaisions, but I have generaly cooled of by the time I have reached work. Personaly I don't care if he wants to die, but a head on collison with a bike is very likely to cause injury or death to a wholly innocent member of the public as well. Should I just call his number in?
BTW, I have riden bikes for the last 16 years, so I am not just being a numpty moaning car driver.
He never overtakes quickly either, just cruises past gently, irrespective of the amount of danger he is putting himself and others into. The thing is, he's been doing this for a couple of years now, and I can scarcely belive he is not a bonnet ornament for a Volvo yet. He must be leading a charmed life, I can think of no other explanation.
I have been sorely tempted to call the plod on a couple of occaisions, but I have generaly cooled of by the time I have reached work. Personaly I don't care if he wants to die, but a head on collison with a bike is very likely to cause injury or death to a wholly innocent member of the public as well. Should I just call his number in?
BTW, I have riden bikes for the last 16 years, so I am not just being a numpty moaning car driver.
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