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Hi All,
Quick question, mainly to the owners of supercars. I run a driver training business (sorry, cant advertise it here as no dount I will get told off!), anyway we are piloting the idea of offering people the chance to take a days advanced driving course (road based) to make them safer, more skillful drivers.
The purpose of this is they will then receive a certificate at the end which confirms they have done a days driver training, the cars make, model and registration will be recorded on this certificate/document.
This certificate will be "valid" for 12 months. After this time they will be invited for a 2 hour refresher course, where they drive in the same car, basically just as a refresher and to have any tips and pointers provided by one of our trainers.
Once the refresher course has been taken, the certificate/document is signed/renewed for a further 12 months.
The reason behind this, is when the owner comes to sell the car they will have proof that they have taken the time to invest time and effort in to their driving. Driver abuse on very fast, expensive cars is a big issue....A car can be serviced bang on time, at the right garage, using all the right parts...and a service history proves this. But how can you check it has not been driven badly? apart from dents in the bonnet, scrapes etc - you can't.....
We are wanting to see this certificate/document as an essential part to any supercar owners service history...sort of a drivers track record....
This has never been done before, and so may or may not work. Basically I would like your views....
Yes it is great, not sure, or no way.....be blunt - let me know....
The idea is still a bit vague at the moment...
cheers
Quick question, mainly to the owners of supercars. I run a driver training business (sorry, cant advertise it here as no dount I will get told off!), anyway we are piloting the idea of offering people the chance to take a days advanced driving course (road based) to make them safer, more skillful drivers.
The purpose of this is they will then receive a certificate at the end which confirms they have done a days driver training, the cars make, model and registration will be recorded on this certificate/document.
This certificate will be "valid" for 12 months. After this time they will be invited for a 2 hour refresher course, where they drive in the same car, basically just as a refresher and to have any tips and pointers provided by one of our trainers.
Once the refresher course has been taken, the certificate/document is signed/renewed for a further 12 months.
The reason behind this, is when the owner comes to sell the car they will have proof that they have taken the time to invest time and effort in to their driving. Driver abuse on very fast, expensive cars is a big issue....A car can be serviced bang on time, at the right garage, using all the right parts...and a service history proves this. But how can you check it has not been driven badly? apart from dents in the bonnet, scrapes etc - you can't.....
We are wanting to see this certificate/document as an essential part to any supercar owners service history...sort of a drivers track record....
This has never been done before, and so may or may not work. Basically I would like your views....
Yes it is great, not sure, or no way.....be blunt - let me know....
The idea is still a bit vague at the moment...
cheers
Whether it works or not would, for me, depend on a few things;
- would the person training us be an experienced driver of supercars?
- would the training be done on roads or track? (if its the former then you risk constraining your training to taking v12s around at 30mph and therefore no significant value-add, if the latter, then why train drivers to drive on a track if they will rarely go on one etc...)
- linking up with a few insurers that would recognise the certificate and offer a discount on renewels would certainly boost your service
- if the annual renewel was too pricey i think the business model would die out as it would be seen another way of trying to bend over folk with 'perceived' deep pockets for a few bob.
If you can teach me how to get more than 8 mpg out of a murci then you have your first customer
- would the person training us be an experienced driver of supercars?
- would the training be done on roads or track? (if its the former then you risk constraining your training to taking v12s around at 30mph and therefore no significant value-add, if the latter, then why train drivers to drive on a track if they will rarely go on one etc...)
- linking up with a few insurers that would recognise the certificate and offer a discount on renewels would certainly boost your service
- if the annual renewel was too pricey i think the business model would die out as it would be seen another way of trying to bend over folk with 'perceived' deep pockets for a few bob.
If you can teach me how to get more than 8 mpg out of a murci then you have your first customer
So if I drive nice and sensibly for a couple of days with you in the car and get a certificate saying I'm a "good" driver, I can drive it like I stole it the rest of the time and protect the value - cool, where do I sign...
How much by the way, and what qualifies you to say that I can drive my supercar in such a way that's not going to effect the way it runs in 3 years time? (Serious question)
How much by the way, and what qualifies you to say that I can drive my supercar in such a way that's not going to effect the way it runs in 3 years time? (Serious question)
How many supercar owners are going to admit openly that they need training to drive their cars and, as GT Dan points out, why would your certificate help resale values when anyone can see that between certification dates, the car could have had the ar5e ragged off it.
I'd be surprised if you find the market is big enough to support this adventure.
I'd be surprised if you find the market is big enough to support this adventure.
Sorry NO. Has so many holes in it you could drive a Murcielago through it.
If it`s on track then if I was buying said car down the line I wouldn`t want proof that a prospective purchase has been tracked.
If it`s on road it`s completely pointless, there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM. Doing this has got absolutely nothing to do with supercars but roadcraft using the gift of eyes that god bestowed.
I can make my own certificate as well on a nice vellum paper and it will mean the same....diddly squat.
No offence meant but you did say be honest!
If it`s on track then if I was buying said car down the line I wouldn`t want proof that a prospective purchase has been tracked.
If it`s on road it`s completely pointless, there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM. Doing this has got absolutely nothing to do with supercars but roadcraft using the gift of eyes that god bestowed.
I can make my own certificate as well on a nice vellum paper and it will mean the same....diddly squat.
No offence meant but you did say be honest!
Granturismo Dan said:
So if I drive nice and sensibly for a couple of days with you in the car and get a certificate saying I'm a "good" driver, I can drive it like I stole it the rest of the time and protect the value - cool, where do I sign...
How much by the way, and what qualifies you to say that I can drive my supercar in such a way that's not going to effect the way it runs in 3 years time? (Serious question)
Of course we cant tell you are not going to rag it when you have finished the course..in the sameway you cant tell an advanced driver, member of IAM etc is not going to drink drive, cause road rage, cut people up etc after passing their test.....if anything it is the psychology behind someone wanting to spend time/money on becoming better than the average joe which would be of interest...How much by the way, and what qualifies you to say that I can drive my supercar in such a way that's not going to effect the way it runs in 3 years time? (Serious question)
jontysafe said:
there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM.
We employ the same instructors as the IAM - although we have higher entry requirements than them..!The IAM however, are a huge charity who have been around over 60 years!
Edited by driversdomainuk on Wednesday 15th September 21:27
driversdomainuk said:
jontysafe said:
there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM.
We employ the same instructors as the IAM - although we have higher entry requirements than them..!The IAM however, are a huge charity who have been around over 60 years!
Edited by driversdomainuk on Wednesday 15th September 21:27
Jonty355 said:
Why should a supercar require a driving course for the road more than a normal car? Supercars have better brakes and handling. So on a road at the same speeds, this would make driving safer????
1. It is possible to reach the limit of grip (with the use of power) far more easily than in a low powered car
2. The speeds that can be achieved between hazards are much higher - requiring a greater ability to judge speed & distance (so as to arrive at the next hazard at a safe speed)
3. A supercar opens up greater opportunities to overtake; overtaking consistently safely and well is something of an art - training can certainly help with that
Cheers
There appears to be a slight misunderstanding about the IAM and its "experience". The IAM does indeed have arrangements with some insurers to give a discount once a driver has passed its test. The test is judged by a Police Advanced Driver (serving or retired). It is a good test to a sensible level (but by no means the highest level).
The training for the test is a matter for the individual. Most people join a local (voluntary) IAM group. They are coached by an "observer". These are generally not professionals, but rather enthusiastic drivers who are keen to put something "back in". Many are excellent, some are not. Few will have experience of training an individual with a high performance car (not that this is a particular issue - the training is car independent).
The other route for training is to go to a professional advanced driving coach (and pay some money). There are many around, and many have Police backgrounds. They are, as a rule, significantly more "experienced" than the average IAM observer (to take nothing away from them) just by dint of the fact that is all they do. Some have a lot of experience of training people in high powered cars, which can obviously be an advantage. Some combine track / proving ground training to augment the road training (to help develop high speed car control, steering, techniques like heel & toe). Despite what is potentially a higher level of training than IAM, after such training it is very doubtful any insurance company will give you a discount - the only thing that can help with that is then going on to take the IAM test (or RoSPA test) just because that is all the insurance companies recognise.
Cheers
The training for the test is a matter for the individual. Most people join a local (voluntary) IAM group. They are coached by an "observer". These are generally not professionals, but rather enthusiastic drivers who are keen to put something "back in". Many are excellent, some are not. Few will have experience of training an individual with a high performance car (not that this is a particular issue - the training is car independent).
The other route for training is to go to a professional advanced driving coach (and pay some money). There are many around, and many have Police backgrounds. They are, as a rule, significantly more "experienced" than the average IAM observer (to take nothing away from them) just by dint of the fact that is all they do. Some have a lot of experience of training people in high powered cars, which can obviously be an advantage. Some combine track / proving ground training to augment the road training (to help develop high speed car control, steering, techniques like heel & toe). Despite what is potentially a higher level of training than IAM, after such training it is very doubtful any insurance company will give you a discount - the only thing that can help with that is then going on to take the IAM test (or RoSPA test) just because that is all the insurance companies recognise.
Cheers
Silent1 said:
driversdomainuk said:
jontysafe said:
there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM.
We employ the same instructors as the IAM - although we have higher entry requirements than them..!The IAM however, are a huge charity who have been around over 60 years!
Edited by driversdomainuk on Wednesday 15th September 21:27
Arse.
Keep your overheads to a minimum, beat IAM on price, and try it. Good luck.
Silent1 said:
driversdomainuk said:
jontysafe said:
there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM.
We employ the same instructors as the IAM - although we have higher entry requirements than them..!The IAM however, are a huge charity who have been around over 60 years!
Edited by driversdomainuk on Wednesday 15th September 21:27
One thing I cannot find that I think people would sign up for ( I am looking ) is 'Oh s
t' training. As evidenced by wrecked exotic and the like. I did a track day recently and also have been over the Alps twice with spirited driving and been ok (as I have stayed at 90%). I am only in an M3 and lurk here as I am hankering after a 3200, which I have read is supposed to be more of a handful.
Anyway, context over..! I think I would sign up for a day on multi faceted car control i.e. a little bit of circuit work ( makeshift like Top Gear ), then a skid-pan session, some slight drifting work and then the same circuit with random oil/ wet patches etc ( nothing to crash into of course) as I want to be able to practice that, "woops this has gone well sideways on some diesel and if I don't get this back in its going to be embarrassing / expensive"?
Just my 2p. Anyone agree this might get customers.. I don't know where I will be able to try to do some controlling over-steer, either on purpose or accidental. I don't want to do a drift day as I don't have that sort of car or inclination.
t' training. As evidenced by wrecked exotic and the like. I did a track day recently and also have been over the Alps twice with spirited driving and been ok (as I have stayed at 90%). I am only in an M3 and lurk here as I am hankering after a 3200, which I have read is supposed to be more of a handful. Anyway, context over..! I think I would sign up for a day on multi faceted car control i.e. a little bit of circuit work ( makeshift like Top Gear ), then a skid-pan session, some slight drifting work and then the same circuit with random oil/ wet patches etc ( nothing to crash into of course) as I want to be able to practice that, "woops this has gone well sideways on some diesel and if I don't get this back in its going to be embarrassing / expensive"?
Just my 2p. Anyone agree this might get customers.. I don't know where I will be able to try to do some controlling over-steer, either on purpose or accidental. I don't want to do a drift day as I don't have that sort of car or inclination.
Edited by BluePurpleRed on Thursday 16th September 15:53
robert78 said:
Silent1 said:
driversdomainuk said:
jontysafe said:
there are people far better experienced than "Driver`s Domain" to go to who WILL get you a discount on your car insurance such as IAM.
We employ the same instructors as the IAM - although we have higher entry requirements than them..!The IAM however, are a huge charity who have been around over 60 years!
Edited by driversdomainuk on Wednesday 15th September 21:27
BluePurpleRed said:
One thing I cannot find that I think people would sign up for ( I am looking ) is 'Oh st' training. As evidenced by wrecked exotic and the like. I did a track day recently and also have been over the Alps twice with spirited driving and been ok (as I have stayed at 90%). I am only in an M3 and lurk here as I am hankering after a 3200, which I have read is supposed to be more of a handful.
Anyway, context over..! I think I would sign up for a day on multi faceted car control i.e. a little bit of circuit work ( makeshift like Top Gear ), then a skid-pan session, some slight drifting work and then the same circuit with random oil/ wet patches etc ( nothing to crash into of course) as I want to be able to practice that, "woops this has gone well sideways on some diesel and if I don't get this back in its going to be embarrassing / expensive"
Just my 2p. Anyone agree this might get customers.. I don't know where I will be able to try to do some controlling over-steer, either on purpose or accidental. I don't want to do a drift day as I don't have that sort of car or inclination.
www.millbrook-ultima.co.ukt' training. As evidenced by wrecked exotic and the like. I did a track day recently and also have been over the Alps twice with spirited driving and been ok (as I have stayed at 90%). I am only in an M3 and lurk here as I am hankering after a 3200, which I have read is supposed to be more of a handful. Anyway, context over..! I think I would sign up for a day on multi faceted car control i.e. a little bit of circuit work ( makeshift like Top Gear ), then a skid-pan session, some slight drifting work and then the same circuit with random oil/ wet patches etc ( nothing to crash into of course) as I want to be able to practice that, "woops this has gone well sideways on some diesel and if I don't get this back in its going to be embarrassing / expensive"
Just my 2p. Anyone agree this might get customers.. I don't know where I will be able to try to do some controlling over-steer, either on purpose or accidental. I don't want to do a drift day as I don't have that sort of car or inclination.
Edited by BluePurpleRed on Thursday 16th September 15:53
Edited by robert78 on Thursday 16th September 21:11
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