Falling out with the neighbours over an extension
Falling out with the neighbours over an extension
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Silver940

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251 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Ooops... Seems we may have upset the neighbours, having extended our place upstairs a couple of years ago we now find ourselves wanting to extend downstairs. Having come up with an idea the wife popped round next door to tell them. Seems she was not happy about the idea ( Neighbour the other side had already stirred it we think having been told earlier in the day ) It's a ground floor extension only at the back.

We made a few suggestions but nothing was good enough, why couldn't we do a conservatory was her comment. ( We want the area open and usuable all year so that isn't an option ) The triangle she above the fence will be a monstrosity.

Anyway got an architect to draw things up and with the planning rules we couldn't do all we wanted anyway, EU rules place loads of restrictions on the amount of glass you can have due to global warming. So we got things drawn up and have submitted them.

The good lady went round to show them tonight, not happy. Not taken on board anything we had spoken about apparently - only because nothing was good enough to help in the previous conversation!

Got a few comments "We've been here 20 years bla bla, why can't you move, it would be better with some glass there - something dismissed in the earlier discussion, Well you know we don't like it it's up to you if you build it.. etc"

Didn't want to upset the neighbours but really get the feeling nothing would make it better. Still submitted now, have to see what the planners say.

Try and post some pics in a minute of our "monstrosity"

Shay HTFC

3,588 posts

213 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Why not let them build their conservatory? Surely you cannot have it all your own way?

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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They wanted us to build a conservatory instead, they don't want one.

Laurel Green

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256 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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A touch of envy perchance?

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Possibly, and I think definatley the reason the other neighbour stirred things up at the start.


Globulator

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255 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Laurel Green said:
A touch of envy perchance?
It's funny isn't it. Neighbours cannot bear to see anyone in the street bettering themselves. The only think that would make them happy would be for you to stay indoors and watch telly all day, giving them the chance to moan about the grass instead.

Of course you probably (like most people) live in a area with some fantastic posh houses within 1/2 a mile. Are they envious of them? No. They drive past that other world without a care, what really gets up their noses is 'one of their own' drawing ahead.

Perhaps you need to ask them flat out what is there problem, ask them if they are jealous, and why they do not want you to enjoy the extra space?

TBH if you are planning to extend behind your house then Planning do not really care, I expect you'd get something much bigger then you ever imagined through. In fact you should draw up a project 3x the size, and ask the neighbour which one should you build. Then you go with the original one that they'll choose, everyone's happy. Also do not mistake neighbours for friends - people are very territorial and don't really give a damn about how you feel.

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Offending extension... bit marked family room





Offending bit of wall shown in orange. The bit to the right is not seen as their place overlaps ours.


Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Flat roof would look nasty and bear in mind we can't have any more glass to put a sky light in it.

Edited by Silver940 on Wednesday 15th September 20:18

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Just looked up the roof lanterns, like it... just not allowed the glass. Damn EU rules!

Globulator

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255 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Bring that window out with a gable on top.
Give you a vaulted ceiling too if you want.
Much nicer than a lean-to.
Then the wall is turned into roof sloping away.
You'll just need to gutter it at the boundary.

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Was one of our thoughts that, although I suspect she won't like a gutter there.

Globulator

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Silver940 said:
Was one of our thoughts that, although I suspect she won't like a gutter there.
If you pretend it's your least favourite option and really upsets your plans, and gives you less space then I'm sure she'll love it.

defblade

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237 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Globulator said:
If you pretend it's your least favourite option and really upsets your plans, and gives you less space then I'm sure she'll love it.
roflrofl

Globulator

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Silver940 said:
Offending extension... bit marked family room

Looking at the plan you already have space for the gutter on your own land, so a lean-to roof is pointless anyway..

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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I see what you are saying but the style of the houses in the area means the lean to effect actually fits in better. Going to see if we can stop the application tomorrow and speak to the architect about sloping that end. Wouldn't want a full gable end as that would make it look even bigger!

Murph7355

40,913 posts

280 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Never having been especially "neighbourly", I never really understand why people worry too much about what neighbours think.

If it passes planning, build it and stuff the bint next door.

Presumably you bought the house because you like it and where it's located etc. Not because of who was living either side smile

(PS Not suggesting one should go out of the way to be a knob to one's neighbours either)

ShadownINja

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306 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Won't they get a letter asking if they have any objections?

Silver940

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Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Yes, can't see much of a valid objection when you look at the rules and suspect they wont even respond. We'll see I guess!

dave_s13

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293 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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ShadownINja said:
Won't they get a letter asking if they have any objections?
No I don't think so - scratch that.....wrong. See post above.

You might find that plan falls under permitted development rules anyway so won't even need planning. Depends on dimensions. You can get a PD application looked at and approved for about 30 quid (in Leeds).

The OP will have to submit a Party Wall Act notice though and next door could object and hold things up a bit. This would then involve employing the services of a surveyor, that isn't free.

We've just started our extension but are fortunate to have very decent neighbours. They have extended theirs in a similar fashion so sympathetic to the hideous noise the piling machine is making. 300 wacks a minute, 6 hours a day, they've been at it 3 days

Edited by dave_s13 on Wednesday 15th September 22:08

mk1fan

10,856 posts

249 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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dave_s13 said:
The OP will have to submit a Party Wall Act notice though and next door could object and hold things up a bit. This would then involve employing the services of a surveyor, that isn't free.
Don't see why they would need to give notice under the PWA. Would need to know the exisitng foundations and proposed foundations to decide if notice is required. Even if they did all the neighbour can do is 'Dissent' and enable an Award being prepared etc... This wouldn't cause delay as the Act is specifically written to not provide spurious delay - unlike the preceeding LPWA.

Bit of an odd shape extension though.