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Hi there
Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
Enigmajet said:
Hi there
Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
I'm of the opinion that there isn't an idea of prices - that's part of the point of an auction. Look up the Black book, caps or Glasses price guide. But remember its only a guide. Also check what prices they are advertised at elsewhere.Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
If it's a quiet day, you may get lucky, if it's not. Then you may get someone willing to pay over the top.
Enigmajet said:
Hi there
Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
Read and learn this also...Hopefully someone out there has an idea.
Has anyone recent experience of a car auction involving Q7, X5, RR-sport? years 2007 to present Diesel 3.0 litre ish
I am thinking of going down the auction route and trying to get a rough idea of prices, is it a good idea or bad?
In the past I have only bought a low value car at auction so not much to lose but this time considering much more.
Thanks for the help.
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/c_buying_at_auction....
Though not really answering your question, it will be helpful to know if you haven't been to an auction before.
And no, there won't be a guideline price there.
You are never going to get that much of a bargain compared to CAP or Glasses unless the car is a duffer. If it is a slow day there will be no real bids (though it will be "run up") or won't reach the reserve in which case the vendor will bung it back in next week when it might be busier. The only reason a vendor lets a car go vastly under book price is because they just want shot and you need to think about why that may be.
cmackay81 said:
Read and learn this also...
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/c_buying_at_auction....
Though not really answering your question, it will be helpful to know if you haven't been to an auction before.
And no, there won't be a guideline price there.
The only relevant part there is that you should consider all cars at auction sold as seen. When the hammer comes down it is yours, regardless of whether the engine blows up on the way out of the ring. Doing otherwise is a very dangerous game.http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/c_buying_at_auction....
Though not really answering your question, it will be helpful to know if you haven't been to an auction before.
And no, there won't be a guideline price there.
The sale of goods act does not apply at car auctions, they operate under auction terms which is different legislation. The only way you might get a refund is if a car is not what is on the entry sheet (e.g. a Mondeo 2.0 turns out to be a Mondeo 1.6) and the auctioneer has not added a disclaimer.
Edited by confused_buyer on Friday 17th September 10:48
confused_buyer said:
cmackay81 said:
Read and learn this also...
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/c_buying_at_auction....
Though not really answering your question, it will be helpful to know if you haven't been to an auction before.
And no, there won't be a guideline price there.
The only relevant part there is that you should consider all cars at auction sold as seen. When the hammer comes down it is yours, regardless of whether the engine blows up on the way out of the ring. Doing otherwise is a very dangerous game.http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/c_buying_at_auction....
Though not really answering your question, it will be helpful to know if you haven't been to an auction before.
And no, there won't be a guideline price there.
The sale of goods act does not apply at car auctions, they operate under auction terms which is different legislation. The only way you might get a refund is if a car is not what is on the entry sheet (e.g. a Mondeo 2.0 turns out to be a Mondeo 1.6) and the auctioneer has not added a disclaimer.
Edited by confused_buyer on Friday 17th September 10:48
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Hey guys thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
I have been on every single car website for over a year gauging prices second hand from 2007 to present for Q7,X5,RR-sports.
Previously I haver purchased a car at auction but as it was not very high value, I felt safe enough.
What I'm thinking about this time is quite a bit more expensive, I'm wondering if the extra risk can be offset by a reduced price and is it worth it?
I am aware there are no prices just wondering if anyone has been to an auction lately and has an idea of what these types of vehicles are fetching at auction?
All help and advice greatly appreciated.
cmackay81,confused_buyer,300bhp/ton, thank you guys for your replies and advice.
I have been on every single car website for over a year gauging prices second hand from 2007 to present for Q7,X5,RR-sports.
Previously I haver purchased a car at auction but as it was not very high value, I felt safe enough.
What I'm thinking about this time is quite a bit more expensive, I'm wondering if the extra risk can be offset by a reduced price and is it worth it?
I am aware there are no prices just wondering if anyone has been to an auction lately and has an idea of what these types of vehicles are fetching at auction?
All help and advice greatly appreciated.
cmackay81,confused_buyer,300bhp/ton, thank you guys for your replies and advice.
Enigmajet said:
Hey guys thanks for the replies, much appreciated.
I have been on every single car website for over a year gauging prices second hand from 2007 to present for Q7,X5,RR-sports.
Previously I haver purchased a car at auction but as it was not very high value, I felt safe enough.
What I'm thinking about this time is quite a bit more expensive, I'm wondering if the extra risk can be offset by a reduced price and is it worth it?
I am aware there are no prices just wondering if anyone has been to an auction lately and has an idea of what these types of vehicles are fetching at auction?
All help and advice greatly appreciated.
cmackay81,confused_buyer,300bhp/ton, thank you guys for your replies and advice.
The main trouble is, cars don't always fetch the same price at auction. It all depends on who is in the room, time of day, thw weather out side or who knows what.I have been on every single car website for over a year gauging prices second hand from 2007 to present for Q7,X5,RR-sports.
Previously I haver purchased a car at auction but as it was not very high value, I felt safe enough.
What I'm thinking about this time is quite a bit more expensive, I'm wondering if the extra risk can be offset by a reduced price and is it worth it?
I am aware there are no prices just wondering if anyone has been to an auction lately and has an idea of what these types of vehicles are fetching at auction?
All help and advice greatly appreciated.
cmackay81,confused_buyer,300bhp/ton, thank you guys for your replies and advice.
Best bet is set a price, the max you will pay. And then stick to it. Go to an auction or two, if you can't get one for the price you've set, then it's too low.
In reality you should be able to get a bargain and save money compared to a private or retail price from a trader. But that is the risk that is involved. As others have said, there's no come back. If you bid and win, it's deal done. If it drives like crap or has a million faults there will be no come back and no obligations.
If you're not mechanically minded it might be worth taking someone with you who is.
Try and inspect the car as well as you can and make sure you're on your feet and at the front as it drives in. Have a good listen and poke - remember you won't have long and it all happens quickly.
Oh yeah, don't forget to include all the fee's on top of the purchase price.
cmackay81 said:
did you even open the link? you certainly didn't read it anyhow.
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Yes, I did read it in full, and thought it both poor, misleading and confusing to anyone buying a car at auction as I do not know of a single auction in the UK where the sale of goods act applies. All that needs to be said is that cars are sold on fall of the hammer as seen, no comebacks. hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
confused_buyer said:
cmackay81 said:
did you even open the link? you certainly didn't read it anyhow.
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Yes, I did read it in full, and thought it both poor, misleading and confusing to anyone buying a car at auction as I do not know of a single auction in the UK where the sale of goods act applies. All that needs to be said is that cars are sold on fall of the hammer as seen, no comebacks. hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
but... in essence it is saying that the auction is only the means in which someone sells something. it does not affect what is being sold or by whom.
By this, I mean that you are not buying from the auction house, but through it. In the end you are still buying from either a person or a business. Most likely it will be from a person I would have though, but if it from a business who is selling through the auction house, then SOGA applies.
Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
cmackay81 said:
confused_buyer said:
cmackay81 said:
did you even open the link? you certainly didn't read it anyhow.
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Yes, I did read it in full, and thought it both poor, misleading and confusing to anyone buying a car at auction as I do not know of a single auction in the UK where the sale of goods act applies. All that needs to be said is that cars are sold on fall of the hammer as seen, no comebacks. hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
but... in essence it is saying that the auction is only the means in which someone sells something. it does not affect what is being sold or by whom.
By this, I mean that you are not buying from the auction house, but through it. In the end you are still buying from either a person or a business. Most likely it will be from a person I would have though, but if it from a business who is selling through the auction house, then SOGA applies.
Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
Likewise, if you bought a 3.2 V6 Omega, but it turned out to be a 2.5 V6.
Where I think you'd find little or no help is if you find a fault on the car or it breaksdown. Even a HG failure, as the auction/seller will claim you had opportunity to inspect it and see it in motion.
300bhp/ton said:
cmackay81 said:
confused_buyer said:
cmackay81 said:
did you even open the link? you certainly didn't read it anyhow.
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Yes, I did read it in full, and thought it both poor, misleading and confusing to anyone buying a car at auction as I do not know of a single auction in the UK where the sale of goods act applies. All that needs to be said is that cars are sold on fall of the hammer as seen, no comebacks. hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
but... in essence it is saying that the auction is only the means in which someone sells something. it does not affect what is being sold or by whom.
By this, I mean that you are not buying from the auction house, but through it. In the end you are still buying from either a person or a business. Most likely it will be from a person I would have though, but if it from a business who is selling through the auction house, then SOGA applies.
Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
Likewise, if you bought a 3.2 V6 Omega, but it turned out to be a 2.5 V6.
Where I think you'd find little or no help is if you find a fault on the car or it breaksdown. Even a HG failure, as the auction/seller will claim you had opportunity to inspect it and see it in motion.
http://www.insitelawmagazine.com/saleterms.htm
Quote said:
"Auctions
It has long been the case that goods sold at auction can be exempted (subject to a reasonableness test) from the requirements (implied terms) in the Sale of Goods Act as to description, quality and fitness. Notices can be put up excluding these specified sale of goods rights, subject to any exclusions satisfying a reasonableness test. This is covered by the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.
This possibility continues for buyers other than consumers (business buyers, companies) but new goods bought at auction by consumers will now always be covered by the implied terms in the Sale of Goods Act. In addition the four remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund provided by the Regulations will be available for such goods. Second-hand goods will be covered by the four remedies when sold at auctions that consumers cannot attend in person. This will include internet auctions where consumers make purchases from trade sellers. It would also extend to auctions that barred consumers from attending but accepted their telephone bids.
However, the four remedies provided for by the Directive will not apply for second- hand goods sold at auctions where consumers "have the opportunity of attending in person".
The remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund will not apply for second-hand items at auctions where consumers have the opportunity to attend in person. In this situation, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded, the buyer would enjoy the long established Sale of Goods Act rights to initially reject the goods or to request compensation.
If the auction house stopped consumers attending in person then the redress rights provided by the Regulations of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund would be available to them. However, it is difficult for consumers to secure goods from auctions they cannot attend although this might be possible via a telephone bid or an internet auction.
Installation and Installation Instructions
The Regulations, in force from 31 March 2003, state that where the retailer agrees installation for a consumer by himself or his agent, as part of the sale contract, the consumer can call on the redress rights provided by the Regulations (repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund) where a lack of conformity arises. Any losses suffered as a result of the lack of conformity can be claimed as consequential losses. A consumer can alternatively seek a full refund of the money paid or adequate compensation and any consequential losses. Naturally, there are practical considerations as to what is possible in terms of repair and replacement with some installations.
If a new kitchen was installed and the cupboard doors all opened the wrong way (contrary to the agreed plans), it would be possible alternatively to seek a repair, replacement etc, rather than pursue cash compensation.
"
It has long been the case that goods sold at auction can be exempted (subject to a reasonableness test) from the requirements (implied terms) in the Sale of Goods Act as to description, quality and fitness. Notices can be put up excluding these specified sale of goods rights, subject to any exclusions satisfying a reasonableness test. This is covered by the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.
This possibility continues for buyers other than consumers (business buyers, companies) but new goods bought at auction by consumers will now always be covered by the implied terms in the Sale of Goods Act. In addition the four remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund provided by the Regulations will be available for such goods. Second-hand goods will be covered by the four remedies when sold at auctions that consumers cannot attend in person. This will include internet auctions where consumers make purchases from trade sellers. It would also extend to auctions that barred consumers from attending but accepted their telephone bids.
However, the four remedies provided for by the Directive will not apply for second- hand goods sold at auctions where consumers "have the opportunity of attending in person".
The remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund will not apply for second-hand items at auctions where consumers have the opportunity to attend in person. In this situation, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded, the buyer would enjoy the long established Sale of Goods Act rights to initially reject the goods or to request compensation.
If the auction house stopped consumers attending in person then the redress rights provided by the Regulations of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund would be available to them. However, it is difficult for consumers to secure goods from auctions they cannot attend although this might be possible via a telephone bid or an internet auction.
Installation and Installation Instructions
The Regulations, in force from 31 March 2003, state that where the retailer agrees installation for a consumer by himself or his agent, as part of the sale contract, the consumer can call on the redress rights provided by the Regulations (repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund) where a lack of conformity arises. Any losses suffered as a result of the lack of conformity can be claimed as consequential losses. A consumer can alternatively seek a full refund of the money paid or adequate compensation and any consequential losses. Naturally, there are practical considerations as to what is possible in terms of repair and replacement with some installations.
If a new kitchen was installed and the cupboard doors all opened the wrong way (contrary to the agreed plans), it would be possible alternatively to seek a repair, replacement etc, rather than pursue cash compensation.
"
in essence, SOGA applies, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded. which i'm sure they will all do, but may not so watch out for it. could be a good getout if you buyer a complete shed.
Enigmajet said:
I am aware there are no prices just wondering if anyone has been to an auction lately and has an idea of what these types of vehicles are fetching at auction?
It's bit random in its coverage, but have you waded through the auction reports here? http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/auctionsCar auctions are always mid week in blackbushe meaning annual leave. To most they have up to 25 days a year using two just to get the experiance then having to go to others waiting to find that right car may mean better off going to the dealer or pay someone to go there for you.
I've been to three and didn't see a thing I fancied at the price I was willing to pay plus very similar price to the main dealer but better as maindealer warranty breakdown cover for a year known history all just serviced.
Think your lucky to get a "deal" in an auction unless your willing to have very unrestricted choice of what your after ie 4door saloon an estate a hatchback get my point
I've been to three and didn't see a thing I fancied at the price I was willing to pay plus very similar price to the main dealer but better as maindealer warranty breakdown cover for a year known history all just serviced.
Think your lucky to get a "deal" in an auction unless your willing to have very unrestricted choice of what your after ie 4door saloon an estate a hatchback get my point
cmackay81 said:
300bhp/ton said:
cmackay81 said:
confused_buyer said:
cmackay81 said:
did you even open the link? you certainly didn't read it anyhow.
hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
Yes, I did read it in full, and thought it both poor, misleading and confusing to anyone buying a car at auction as I do not know of a single auction in the UK where the sale of goods act applies. All that needs to be said is that cars are sold on fall of the hammer as seen, no comebacks. hence, me not bothering to reply to any of your points...
but... in essence it is saying that the auction is only the means in which someone sells something. it does not affect what is being sold or by whom.
By this, I mean that you are not buying from the auction house, but through it. In the end you are still buying from either a person or a business. Most likely it will be from a person I would have though, but if it from a business who is selling through the auction house, then SOGA applies.
Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
Likewise, if you bought a 3.2 V6 Omega, but it turned out to be a 2.5 V6.
Where I think you'd find little or no help is if you find a fault on the car or it breaksdown. Even a HG failure, as the auction/seller will claim you had opportunity to inspect it and see it in motion.
http://www.insitelawmagazine.com/saleterms.htm
Quote said:
"Auctions
It has long been the case that goods sold at auction can be exempted (subject to a reasonableness test) from the requirements (implied terms) in the Sale of Goods Act as to description, quality and fitness. Notices can be put up excluding these specified sale of goods rights, subject to any exclusions satisfying a reasonableness test. This is covered by the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.
This possibility continues for buyers other than consumers (business buyers, companies) but new goods bought at auction by consumers will now always be covered by the implied terms in the Sale of Goods Act. In addition the four remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund provided by the Regulations will be available for such goods. Second-hand goods will be covered by the four remedies when sold at auctions that consumers cannot attend in person. This will include internet auctions where consumers make purchases from trade sellers. It would also extend to auctions that barred consumers from attending but accepted their telephone bids.
However, the four remedies provided for by the Directive will not apply for second- hand goods sold at auctions where consumers "have the opportunity of attending in person".
The remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund will not apply for second-hand items at auctions where consumers have the opportunity to attend in person. In this situation, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded, the buyer would enjoy the long established Sale of Goods Act rights to initially reject the goods or to request compensation.
If the auction house stopped consumers attending in person then the redress rights provided by the Regulations of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund would be available to them. However, it is difficult for consumers to secure goods from auctions they cannot attend although this might be possible via a telephone bid or an internet auction.
Installation and Installation Instructions
The Regulations, in force from 31 March 2003, state that where the retailer agrees installation for a consumer by himself or his agent, as part of the sale contract, the consumer can call on the redress rights provided by the Regulations (repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund) where a lack of conformity arises. Any losses suffered as a result of the lack of conformity can be claimed as consequential losses. A consumer can alternatively seek a full refund of the money paid or adequate compensation and any consequential losses. Naturally, there are practical considerations as to what is possible in terms of repair and replacement with some installations.
If a new kitchen was installed and the cupboard doors all opened the wrong way (contrary to the agreed plans), it would be possible alternatively to seek a repair, replacement etc, rather than pursue cash compensation.
"
It has long been the case that goods sold at auction can be exempted (subject to a reasonableness test) from the requirements (implied terms) in the Sale of Goods Act as to description, quality and fitness. Notices can be put up excluding these specified sale of goods rights, subject to any exclusions satisfying a reasonableness test. This is covered by the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.
This possibility continues for buyers other than consumers (business buyers, companies) but new goods bought at auction by consumers will now always be covered by the implied terms in the Sale of Goods Act. In addition the four remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund provided by the Regulations will be available for such goods. Second-hand goods will be covered by the four remedies when sold at auctions that consumers cannot attend in person. This will include internet auctions where consumers make purchases from trade sellers. It would also extend to auctions that barred consumers from attending but accepted their telephone bids.
However, the four remedies provided for by the Directive will not apply for second- hand goods sold at auctions where consumers "have the opportunity of attending in person".
The remedies of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund will not apply for second-hand items at auctions where consumers have the opportunity to attend in person. In this situation, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded, the buyer would enjoy the long established Sale of Goods Act rights to initially reject the goods or to request compensation.
If the auction house stopped consumers attending in person then the redress rights provided by the Regulations of repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund would be available to them. However, it is difficult for consumers to secure goods from auctions they cannot attend although this might be possible via a telephone bid or an internet auction.
Installation and Installation Instructions
The Regulations, in force from 31 March 2003, state that where the retailer agrees installation for a consumer by himself or his agent, as part of the sale contract, the consumer can call on the redress rights provided by the Regulations (repair, replacement, partial refund and full refund) where a lack of conformity arises. Any losses suffered as a result of the lack of conformity can be claimed as consequential losses. A consumer can alternatively seek a full refund of the money paid or adequate compensation and any consequential losses. Naturally, there are practical considerations as to what is possible in terms of repair and replacement with some installations.
If a new kitchen was installed and the cupboard doors all opened the wrong way (contrary to the agreed plans), it would be possible alternatively to seek a repair, replacement etc, rather than pursue cash compensation.
"
in essence, SOGA applies, unless the auction house put up clear signage indicating that these rights had been excluded. which i'm sure they will all do, but may not so watch out for it. could be a good getout if you buyer a complete shed.
It says they apply (with signage) if the public can not attend, ie online or telephone bids only. And I think then only if its bought from a trader.
It says above:
"However, the four remedies provided for by the Directive will not apply for second- hand goods sold at auctions where consumers "have the opportunity of attending in person"."
FOR SALE at Manheim bruntingthorpe
2008 - AUDI - Q7 - DF08LHA
TDI QUATTRO 240 S LINE - 3.0L - 5DR ESTATE
43k
Condition doesnt look great
Cap Clean
£23,350
Cap Average
£21,950
2005 - BMW - X5 - MM55VNR
SPORT AUTO - 3.0L - 5DR ESTATE
109448 miles
Cap Clean
£11,400
Cap Average
£10,450
2008 - LAND ROVER - RANGE ROVER SPORT - HY58AVB
TDV8 HSE - 3.6L - 5DR ESTATE
38k
Cap Clean
£31,900
Cap Average
£30,000
2008 - AUDI - Q7 - DF08LHA
TDI QUATTRO 240 S LINE - 3.0L - 5DR ESTATE
43k
Condition doesnt look great
Cap Clean
£23,350
Cap Average
£21,950
2005 - BMW - X5 - MM55VNR
SPORT AUTO - 3.0L - 5DR ESTATE
109448 miles
Cap Clean
£11,400
Cap Average
£10,450
2008 - LAND ROVER - RANGE ROVER SPORT - HY58AVB
TDV8 HSE - 3.6L - 5DR ESTATE
38k
Cap Clean
£31,900
Cap Average
£30,000
Beware...
I used to work for a very large fleet/leasing company and we sold hundreds of cars a week via Manheim or BCA. My job was to stand next to the auctioneer and react to his below the counter hand signals to me and decide whether to lower the reserve or not depending on the car and the crowd of buyers present.
Lots of cars and vans 2-4 years old, everything from Aston DB9's to Ford Ka's.
Some of it was so shagged that we used to order the auction to "keep it running long enough to drive it through the hall".
Unfortunately some stuff had to actually be towed through!
Also, the auctioneers and people like myself used to get to know the crowds of trade buyers that are at these places week in week out and we all used to love it when someone not from the trade was there to buy, they stuck out like a sore thumb and the auctioneers used to take them to the cleaners...
I miss all that.
I used to work for a very large fleet/leasing company and we sold hundreds of cars a week via Manheim or BCA. My job was to stand next to the auctioneer and react to his below the counter hand signals to me and decide whether to lower the reserve or not depending on the car and the crowd of buyers present.
Lots of cars and vans 2-4 years old, everything from Aston DB9's to Ford Ka's.
Some of it was so shagged that we used to order the auction to "keep it running long enough to drive it through the hall".
Unfortunately some stuff had to actually be towed through!
Also, the auctioneers and people like myself used to get to know the crowds of trade buyers that are at these places week in week out and we all used to love it when someone not from the trade was there to buy, they stuck out like a sore thumb and the auctioneers used to take them to the cleaners...
I miss all that.
cmackay81 said:
but... in essence it is saying that the auction is only the means in which someone sells something. it does not affect what is being sold or by whom.
Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
I see where you are coming from and understanding that auctions are just an agent is an important step to getting a good auction buy but, because they are sold via auction process, sale of goods absolutely does not apply. Indeed, it is because it does not apply, that most vendors are using the auction method of selling their cars in the first place.Think of it this way, if VW decided to sell their brand new cars through an auction house, you are still buying from them not the auction house. At no point does the auction house own the car, they are only the facilitators of selling the car. So in this case you would still have SOGA protecting you.
Where this site gets confusing is whether the SOGA can be waived through an auction if it is documented as such. In one paragraph it says not, in one it implies it can be, but only when this is written down.
Manuafacturers (including VW), lease companies, dealers, main dealers, individuals etc. choose auctions in many cases because they know there is no comeback. Lease companies dispose of thousands of cars a week - they want them gone, paid for and never heard from or about ever again. If this wasn't the case they'd punt them out directly to people. In fact, a vendor does not even need to disclose themselves as the seller and the buyer has no right to find out who sold it.
Edited by confused_buyer on Friday 17th September 16:53
BCA do indeed charge a fee for the "HPI" check but you will also pay a buyers fee depending on the cost of the vehicle.
For example a £5000 car will cost the buyer an extra £300 or so. They dont publish these figures on the website but just say "see the auction centre" where you will find a list of the fees.
For example a £5000 car will cost the buyer an extra £300 or so. They dont publish these figures on the website but just say "see the auction centre" where you will find a list of the fees.
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