only 9 volts at fuel pump
only 9 volts at fuel pump
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al 350i

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974 posts

225 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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well i did have the car running and all was going well! went to start her today and she fired up all for about 2 seconds and then cut out. after a little scratching my head and testing, i've found that i'm only getting 9v to the fuel pump, i also noticed that one of the relays is getting a little warm not sure if the two could be related.

Barkychoc

7,848 posts

234 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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If its a bog standard relay get a short piece of wire and crimp a flat connector on each end, remove the relay and stick the ends of the wire into the 2 terminals that are the relay contacts.
The pump should fire up when you connect the wire, then measure your voltage.

keatsie

326 posts

194 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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Becarefull if your going to short the relay, it is possible the pump has seized and the voltage drop is due to the relay restricting current - hence the heat. Use a fused wire or link, safer.

al 350i

Original Poster:

974 posts

225 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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have been measuring the voltage at the connector behind drivers seat before the pump and that's still reading 9v before getting to the pump. are the relays easy to buy? are they shared with anything else?

1 Finger Bandit

621 posts

241 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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Is that voltage with the pump connected though

al 350i

Original Poster:

974 posts

225 months

Sunday 19th September 2010
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i first checked voltage at pump under car (9v), then at the connector plug disconnected

Wedg1e

27,041 posts

295 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Firstly, are you getting a good earth connection with your multimeter (-) lead? If not, that'll give you a false reading. If you have to, extend it back to the batery (-) post with a length of wire.

Certainly if the pump was taking loads of current it would drag the supply down - but not if the pump's disconnected, obviously. Could be that the relay contacts are arced to hell... DC motors are an inductive load which is the worst thing you can switch with a moving contact, as in a relay; when you break the current you get a nice spark that vapourises the contacts, eventually leading to carbon deposits and a resistive connection.

The relay is a standard 4-pin, single pole, 12v coil, 30A type. It will have terminals numbered 30/51, 85, 86 and 87. 30/51 is the feed from the battery, 87 goes out to the pump, 85 and 86 are the coil terminations. If you can find a 40A-rated device, so much the better, but it shouldn't need it. You could temporarily swap with MOST of the other relays already on the car, my preference would be something little-used like the boot release or washer pump. Just don't use the injection system 'Main' relay as it's different (has two '87' terminals instead of one).

honestjohntoo

576 posts

246 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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On the generic SD1 Efi system there is a 1.2 ohm ballast resistor to reduce the fuel pump voltage to about 9 volts,



The original purpose was to reduce pump noise. Even with 9 volts the pump is perfectly capable of sustaining the fuel pressure in excess of 36 psi.

Some folks dish the ballast resistor, the fuel pressure maximises at about 55 psi - much more than is required, the pump life is reduced and noise increases.

Dunno about TVR's tho'. The more noise the better - usually! smile

I would not worry about the pump relay getting a little warm, the pump is pulling 2-3 amps or therebouts.

Your fault is probably elsewhere, the engine is starting on the rush of fuel from the CSI, and then dying after that is consumed, suggesting the main injectors are not firing to sustain combustion, so you have to look for reasons therin.

  • Running signal from coil neg to pin 1 of the ECU.
  • Power supply to injector power resistors missing.
  • ECU toast.
  • Wiring/connector problems on any of the above 3 items.
You can work out a complete test program from this archive and for elsewhere on the system too.

Good Luck

Edited by honestjohntoo on Monday 20th September 10:41

al 350i

Original Poster:

974 posts

225 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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i just assumed that the pump would need 12v to run! if it only needs 9v then i'm going to assume the pump is blocked or knackered as i'm not getting any supply at the engine, i've been only running small amounts of fuel in the tank due to the car not being road worth for the last year so guessing i've dragged some crap through. i've read some where that its possible to reverse the pump to clear blockages, is this true and if so how?

honestjohntoo

576 posts

246 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Yes, peeps do that to eject crud. Find the connector from loom to pump and disconnect.

Take a 12 volt battery and connect it to the pump terminals, I'm pretty sure the loom earth wire will be Black so you can work the polarity out easily enough.

You wont knacker the pump by doing this as it is capable of taking 12 volts anyway.

So that you have some idea WTF you are doing its always a good idea to read-up about the component first. The PDF available from this clicky will enlighten.




E Ponym

1,233 posts

297 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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Don't run the pump dry for too long.

It is designed to be lubricated by the fuel travelling through it.

Russ

al 350i

Original Poster:

974 posts

225 months

Monday 20th September 2010
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i will have to give this a try on the weekend, fingers crossed!

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Tuesday 21st September 2010
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Also just applying 12v can kick start a fuel pump, and then it will be ok on 9v.
I've done this a few times to get me out of a Jam.