So, has Jenson activated the aggression mode?
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So, has Jenson fully activated the aggression mode?
What do the sages here think ?
Several interviews on the Radio have him saying so ... or is sudden improvement on the track performance merely circumstance and the way the cookie crumbles. Had his car not suffered damage the nudge from the spaniard's Ferrari soon after the start may have cost him first place... as well as his team advertising the intended pit strategy.
Whatever, still good to see.
So, has Jenson fully activated the aggression mode?
What do the sages here think ?
Several interviews on the Radio have him saying so ... or is sudden improvement on the track performance merely circumstance and the way the cookie crumbles. Had his car not suffered damage the nudge from the spaniard's Ferrari soon after the start may have cost him first place... as well as his team advertising the intended pit strategy.
Whatever, still good to see.
Well he did it successfully last year. As the title seemed to be slipping through his fingers towards the end of the season, he pulled out all the stops and dragged himself clear again.
This year, his strategy of playing safe would have seen him within a few points of the lead at this point had he not been taken out by Vettel at Spa. As it is, he needs to catch up quickly else McLaren will shift behind Lewis. At Monza he showed Lewis up and in practice at Singapore he's doing it again.
Fingers crossed he can pull it out of the bag when it counts again.
This year, his strategy of playing safe would have seen him within a few points of the lead at this point had he not been taken out by Vettel at Spa. As it is, he needs to catch up quickly else McLaren will shift behind Lewis. At Monza he showed Lewis up and in practice at Singapore he's doing it again.
Fingers crossed he can pull it out of the bag when it counts again.
FourWheelDrift said:
groomi said:
This year, his strategy of playing safe would have seen him within a few points of the lead at this point had he not been taken out by Vettel at Spa.
Leading it if he had picked up points at Monaco.groomi said:
FourWheelDrift said:
groomi said:
This year, his strategy of playing safe would have seen him within a few points of the lead at this point had he not been taken out by Vettel at Spa.
Leading it if he had picked up points at Monaco.Button needs a good result this weekend to close the gap on Webber and Hamilton, hopefully he can do so.
given that all the drivers are so close, pretty much every driver would be leading if 'something' hadn't happened to them. e.g. webber/vettel interface. hamilton got taken out by webber in australia whilst in a podium position. Hamilton had a wheel fail at barcelona whilst in 2nd place... etc. etc. etc.
DangerousMike said:
given that all the drivers are so close, pretty much every driver would be leading if 'something' hadn't happened to them. e.g. webber/vettel interface. hamilton got taken out by webber in australia whilst in a podium position. Hamilton had a wheel fail at barcelona whilst in 2nd place... etc. etc. etc.
Yes, but the point being that Button is the only contender who has not made a mistake yet (actually, Alonso perhaps too... can't remember). Therefore his conservative attitude has paid off by virtue of not making the mistakes that others have.Ofcourse, we'll know what was the best strategy when the fat lady sings at the end of the season.
groomi said:
DangerousMike said:
given that all the drivers are so close, pretty much every driver would be leading if 'something' hadn't happened to them. e.g. webber/vettel interface. hamilton got taken out by webber in australia whilst in a podium position. Hamilton had a wheel fail at barcelona whilst in 2nd place... etc. etc. etc.
Yes, but the point being that Button is the only contender who has not made a mistake yet (actually, Alonso perhaps too... can't remember). Therefore his conservative attitude has paid off by virtue of not making the mistakes that others have.Ofcourse, we'll know what was the best strategy when the fat lady sings at the end of the season.
I think Button was disappointing on Sunday after good qualifying pace.
He lost a lot of time behind Lewis in the first stint and then didn't push Webber in the final stages despite having fresher tyres.
Really like Button, just want him to be quicker and more aggressive when it really matters.
A podium above Webber would've been a much better result for Button but he didn't have what it takes to get the job done
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Duncan
He lost a lot of time behind Lewis in the first stint and then didn't push Webber in the final stages despite having fresher tyres.
Really like Button, just want him to be quicker and more aggressive when it really matters.
A podium above Webber would've been a much better result for Button but he didn't have what it takes to get the job done
.Duncan
DuncanM said:
I think Button was disappointing on Sunday after good qualifying pace.
He lost a lot of time behind Lewis in the first stint and then didn't push Webber in the final stages despite having fresher tyres.
Really like Button, just want him to be quicker and more aggressive when it really matters.
A podium above Webber would've been a much better result for Button but he didn't have what it takes to get the job done.
Duncan
I honestly think that this was because the car just didn't have the fabled McLAren 'race pace' with Hammy getting on with the current tyres a bit better at most circuits.He lost a lot of time behind Lewis in the first stint and then didn't push Webber in the final stages despite having fresher tyres.
Really like Button, just want him to be quicker and more aggressive when it really matters.
A podium above Webber would've been a much better result for Button but he didn't have what it takes to get the job done
.Duncan
Its very hard to have race pace when said race pace means you get tucked up behind a wing.
BJ lost out on the first stint when he freely admitted he couldnt get the car working as he liked. End of story.
Unfortunately for poor old BJ his season has been effectively ruined by Seb punting him off at Spa. The consistent, smooth, fast-when-needed approach has been yielding him great results this year and without the Seb punt, he would have banked around 15 points in Spa. The wing nibbling he suffered from Massa and then naff pitstop from Macca cost him victory at Monza, in fact it was just the naff pitstop really, Macca were 0.5-0.8s slower than Ferrari and that margin (or less really) was what cost him the lead into the chicane.
Now though? Well he has to go a little banzai to carve the field up and unless the car is perfect under him Im not entirely sure that is a style he is really comfortable with. Having said that I think Macca are looking forward to Suzuka, so I wouldnt bet against a 1-2 there for them, but with Lewis leading.
BJ lost out on the first stint when he freely admitted he couldnt get the car working as he liked. End of story.
Unfortunately for poor old BJ his season has been effectively ruined by Seb punting him off at Spa. The consistent, smooth, fast-when-needed approach has been yielding him great results this year and without the Seb punt, he would have banked around 15 points in Spa. The wing nibbling he suffered from Massa and then naff pitstop from Macca cost him victory at Monza, in fact it was just the naff pitstop really, Macca were 0.5-0.8s slower than Ferrari and that margin (or less really) was what cost him the lead into the chicane.
Now though? Well he has to go a little banzai to carve the field up and unless the car is perfect under him Im not entirely sure that is a style he is really comfortable with. Having said that I think Macca are looking forward to Suzuka, so I wouldnt bet against a 1-2 there for them, but with Lewis leading.
Its a shame for Jenson, all the main title contenders have made big mistakes this year apart from him, unfortunately his consistency is not what it should be due to other peoples mistakes. (Mclaren pit stop/error at monaco and Sebs crash into him). He has unfortunately been harshly punished for things out of his control and i fear while this could have been his championship, it is a very unlikely bet now.
Part and parcel of racing, but he has had the worst luck of the front runners this year, while never as spectacular as Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso, without the bad luck he would be right in the mix.
Not bad considering how many were expecting a Hamilton domination over him this year. I hope the others suffer a big of the bad luck in the comming races, i would love to go to the last race with 5 people still in contention.
Part and parcel of racing, but he has had the worst luck of the front runners this year, while never as spectacular as Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso, without the bad luck he would be right in the mix.
Not bad considering how many were expecting a Hamilton domination over him this year. I hope the others suffer a big of the bad luck in the comming races, i would love to go to the last race with 5 people still in contention.
Forbes82 said:
Its a shame for Jenson, all the main title contenders have made big mistakes this year apart from him, unfortunately his consistency is not what it should be due to other peoples mistakes. (Mclaren pit stop/error at monaco and Sebs crash into him). He has unfortunately been harshly punished for things out of his control and i fear while this could have been his championship, it is a very unlikely bet now.
Part and parcel of racing, but he has had the worst luck of the front runners this year, while never as spectacular as Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso, without the bad luck he would be right in the mix.
Not bad considering how many were expecting a Hamilton domination over him this year. I hope the others suffer a big of the bad luck in the comming races, i would love to go to the last race with 5 people still in contention.
Totally agree, unfortunately I think Jensen's style would have been perfectly suited to a previous generation of the sport when mistakes were punished more severely than they are now.Part and parcel of racing, but he has had the worst luck of the front runners this year, while never as spectacular as Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso, without the bad luck he would be right in the mix.
Not bad considering how many were expecting a Hamilton domination over him this year. I hope the others suffer a big of the bad luck in the comming races, i would love to go to the last race with 5 people still in contention.
Clearly both McLarens were not as fast as either Red Bull or Ferrari on Sunday. Well off the pace. Both Button and Hamilton were dropping back prior to any SC deployment.
Upcoming circuits will suit the RBs better too I believe.... Hope I'm wrong. It's becoming very difficult for Hamilton and Button ... I believe both constructor and driver championships are beyond them now outside an Act of God ... and I don't mean the FIA assists as has happened with some teams I could mention ....
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Upcoming circuits will suit the RBs better too I believe.... Hope I'm wrong. It's becoming very difficult for Hamilton and Button ... I believe both constructor and driver championships are beyond them now outside an Act of God ... and I don't mean the FIA assists as has happened with some teams I could mention ....
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I thought Button wasn't aggressive enough at the first corner - Hamilton comfortably out-braked him, then perhaps he could have pushed Webber harder at the end but it's difficult to know what conditions were like for each of them.
It looks like the McLarens are just too far behind to me, even though it's only a race win covering the first 5 still.
It looks like the McLarens are just too far behind to me, even though it's only a race win covering the first 5 still.
As much as I like Button as a driver, I really wouldn't want any driver to win the WDC on the basis of consistency over at least fighting for it. Apart from Button challenging Alonso straight from the start of the race at Monza and when he made a pass on Hamilton in Turkey, I really can't remember much of a showing from him.
He's been outqualified by Hamilton on a regular basis and passed by Hamilton numerous times as well. How he is more worth of a champion than Hamilton or Webber/Vettel/Alonso for that case is beyond me.
He may have been unlucky for his DNF that weren't his doing, but on the other hand, he's been extremely well fortuned to receive so many points through DNFs by other drivers that are higher up in the running for WDC. One could argue that if the others hadn't failed, they'd be a lot further along in the title hunt regardless of the DNFs Button had.
Remember, the DNFs Button had weren't worth a lot of points, except for the one at SPA where he was in P2, yet for how long was just a question of time, given he was holding up a pack of at least a few drivers. Monaco he was 8th on the grid when he DNFd and given the track, there weren't more than 8 points in it anyway (P6 as best effort). SPA, probably around 15 points (P3 finish). Compare this to Hamiltons DNF in Hungary when he was in P4 that immediately lost him 12 points without any outside influence (gearbox) or in Spain when he was in a certain P2 and lost 18 points through a puncture.
Also, while Hamilton lost points through his DNFs in Spain and Hungary, Button benefited (2 points in Spain, 2 points in Hungary). More so, he also benefited (together with Hamilton) in Turkey when Vettel and Webber colided. How often did his closest rival benefit when Button DNFd? Hamilton: None in Spa, none in Spain. Webber hardly benefited either.
He's been outqualified by Hamilton on a regular basis and passed by Hamilton numerous times as well. How he is more worth of a champion than Hamilton or Webber/Vettel/Alonso for that case is beyond me.
He may have been unlucky for his DNF that weren't his doing, but on the other hand, he's been extremely well fortuned to receive so many points through DNFs by other drivers that are higher up in the running for WDC. One could argue that if the others hadn't failed, they'd be a lot further along in the title hunt regardless of the DNFs Button had.
Remember, the DNFs Button had weren't worth a lot of points, except for the one at SPA where he was in P2, yet for how long was just a question of time, given he was holding up a pack of at least a few drivers. Monaco he was 8th on the grid when he DNFd and given the track, there weren't more than 8 points in it anyway (P6 as best effort). SPA, probably around 15 points (P3 finish). Compare this to Hamiltons DNF in Hungary when he was in P4 that immediately lost him 12 points without any outside influence (gearbox) or in Spain when he was in a certain P2 and lost 18 points through a puncture.
Also, while Hamilton lost points through his DNFs in Spain and Hungary, Button benefited (2 points in Spain, 2 points in Hungary). More so, he also benefited (together with Hamilton) in Turkey when Vettel and Webber colided. How often did his closest rival benefit when Button DNFd? Hamilton: None in Spa, none in Spain. Webber hardly benefited either.
Edited by Phil-CH on Monday 27th September 14:40
I have a feeling that Jenson will “go for it” in Japan, s
t or bust time.
Basically, if he wants to retain his WDC then he needs a win. A DNF for Webber will help him big time.
Watching JB this year, I get the impression he is always thinking/driving with a points tally in mind, gradually building up the total and being consistent.
Like has been said, he is the only front runner to have not made a major mistake this year [ hope that’s not the kiss of fate!! ] I for one have been VERY impressed with him this year.
Lewis is that little bit quicker over a single lap, both have had times when they have been quicker than the other, but generally in race pace, there is little to choose between them.
I was a bit disappointed he did not jump Lewis at the start yesterday, as he clearly had the better start, maybe he had “finishing” in mind
t or bust time.Basically, if he wants to retain his WDC then he needs a win. A DNF for Webber will help him big time.
Watching JB this year, I get the impression he is always thinking/driving with a points tally in mind, gradually building up the total and being consistent.
Like has been said, he is the only front runner to have not made a major mistake this year [ hope that’s not the kiss of fate!! ] I for one have been VERY impressed with him this year.
Lewis is that little bit quicker over a single lap, both have had times when they have been quicker than the other, but generally in race pace, there is little to choose between them.
I was a bit disappointed he did not jump Lewis at the start yesterday, as he clearly had the better start, maybe he had “finishing” in mind
The DNF for Jense at Spa is the only one relevent. That was 15pts+ for him (note Ive not said 18, ie. gauranteed 2nd), but the relevent thing is he was taken out, he didnt crash, he didnt have a mechanical failure, he was taken out.
I mentioned Spa aswell because the misfortune he suffered there again was nothing to do with him. He was nurfed from behind to take away 0.1sec/lap by Massa and then his pit team were simply slower than Alonso. Jense himself drove the perfect race and whilst he arguably was a sitting duck per se to Alonso on the straights, so he had been for most of the race and Alonso hadnt managed it yet!
The others have all either suffered due to their own errors/misjudgement or their car breaking on them. BJ's policy then has been sunk by others through no fault of his own. Of those 25 points he is down, Spa and Monza account for about 20 of them. That would *piss* me right off. Now, where you have a valid point of him not being a worthy World Champ this season would be in pointing out that he doesnt have much of a Plan B if this Plan A goes pear shaped...which it has.
I mentioned Spa aswell because the misfortune he suffered there again was nothing to do with him. He was nurfed from behind to take away 0.1sec/lap by Massa and then his pit team were simply slower than Alonso. Jense himself drove the perfect race and whilst he arguably was a sitting duck per se to Alonso on the straights, so he had been for most of the race and Alonso hadnt managed it yet!
The others have all either suffered due to their own errors/misjudgement or their car breaking on them. BJ's policy then has been sunk by others through no fault of his own. Of those 25 points he is down, Spa and Monza account for about 20 of them. That would *piss* me right off. Now, where you have a valid point of him not being a worthy World Champ this season would be in pointing out that he doesnt have much of a Plan B if this Plan A goes pear shaped...which it has.
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