'97 BMW V8 engine longevity
'97 BMW V8 engine longevity
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ChouMeiWang

Original Poster:

4 posts

195 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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Anyone heard of these V8's doing monster miles without major catastrophe at all?

Thanks,
Chou.

B'stard Child

31,151 posts

276 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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ChouMeiWang said:
Anyone heard of these V8's doing monster miles without major catastrophe at all?

Thanks,
Chou.
Early engines (I think Pre 1997 4.0) are Nicasil Bore (google it)
Later engines 4.4 is Alusil replacement (plus many early cars got engines replaced under warrenty)

The vanos system starts to rattle on cold start up

PCV valves have a limited lifespan (not really an engine issue but gives all the symptoms of Nickasil issue - rough idle and rocking engine)

The engine operating temperture is 118 Deg C so a coolant/cooling issue can be catastrophic (especialy as the guage gets to operating temp at 75deg C and stays there but will dive into the red at 120 Deg C and then it's probably too late)

SC7

1,882 posts

211 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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On a 5 Series forum I use, there's a "Mileage Register" thread going. Currently there are 47 cars listed on it; 28 of which are over 100k - 14 of these are V8s (535, 540, M5).

The highest is a 1996 540 with 206k.

Huff

3,436 posts

221 months

Friday 1st October 2010
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Since UK fuel went ultra-low sulphur in 2000, any Nikasil V8 blocks still existing may well likely last forever . IOW, its a great bargaining tool on buying, but nothing to worry about . I know, I have a 95 E34 540, and its as-new at 96K

Otherwise, the ingredients for meagmiles are there. Chain-driven cams (the 4.0 uses duplex chain, and known to be ultra reliable; the 4.4s all simplex chain - do check tensioners). HYdraulic tappets - like fresh oil, no wear/adjustment issues. Only minor kwon issues a surf of BMW forums will highlight : check the oil pump bolts in the sump of the 4.0 M60s (easy, little harm done even if all 3 drop out, it only sounds bad). PCVs can get gummed-up. 95%+ of poor running problems reported are simply vacuum leaks, very easly fixed ( even the worst of the lot would be to lift the intake manifold and replace the intake gaskets - requires a 10mm socket and not much more. Parts are not expensive)

After that you are at the mercy of preventative maintenance, and frankly there's no excuse for not doing regular oil/filter changes on these - the filter is the easiest element swap ever, and cheap, and you can do the whole thing with no skill in under 10mins.

Buy on condition, and enjoy smile

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

241 months

Saturday 2nd October 2010
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A couple of years younger (1999). My E39 M5 did at least 200k. No major work at all (vanos and accumulator units not included), just boggo service + lubrication schedule. Tensioner chain still looked as good as new). Epic engines.

gf15

1,038 posts

296 months

Saturday 2nd October 2010
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1999 740 (4400 cc) @ 170k, no issues, quite as a mouse, uses no oil & still flies along nicely. Everything is original (engine, gearbox, exhaust,etc) when I asked the BMW specialist that I use, what will be the potential expenses
1: CAT's potentially and can be expensive
2: They have seen a few that needed new fuel tanks (tank alone is £500+)
3: Suspension bushes
4: Shocks (sport ones are £200, self leveling considerably more) use Sachs / boge.


bga

8,134 posts

281 months

Saturday 2nd October 2010
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The engine in my 540 is running sweet as a nut and is approaching 150k. I have a few doubts about the autobox but that's a separate issue.

yinujim

201 posts

233 months

Saturday 2nd October 2010
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Oil and filter change on the sealed for life auto boxes is essential. Cooling system is a weak point and it has to be it top condition.

ChouMeiWang

Original Poster:

4 posts

195 months

Saturday 2nd October 2010
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Thanks guys - very useful indeed.

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Sunday 3rd October 2010
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Any specifics on a -98 535 auto to look out for?

peaktorque

1,807 posts

241 months

Sunday 3rd October 2010
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My 535i has done 160,000. I've owned it for nearly 4 years now.

The vanos makes it sound like a diesel on idle, every single plastic water pipe has gone brittle and has required replacement (one of them was unobtainable, from BMW, for a month the car was off the road pending this part mad ), the thermostat has needed replacement as the plug terminals burnt out (it's controlled by the ECU), the cam cover rubber seals all perished resulting in oil pissing everywhere.

Worst of all though is the plastic timing chain guides that disintegrated, resulting in a very slack chain and nearly catastrophic engine destruction yikes

All the metal parts have been o.k though wink

Overall it's a great car and engine, but built to a budget.

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Monday 4th October 2010
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Thanks for the info, even if it may not have been what I wanted to hear wink

Seems as it could be a money pit, even if the one I'm thinking of has full service history and 120K. What mpg can I expect, I've read that it should be around 24 combined?

SC7

1,882 posts

211 months

Monday 4th October 2010
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Finlandia said:
has full service history and 120K
That's nothing.

MPG could be anywhere between 18 and 30 depending on your driving and where you live.

peaktorque

1,807 posts

241 months

Monday 4th October 2010
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On a slight plus note, I've had as much as 33 mpg on a long run............

18mpg is as bad as it gets.

Finlandia

7,818 posts

261 months

Monday 4th October 2010
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Thanks thumbup