Building regs help
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andy c

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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I am building a flat roof garage with a 5.5m span.
What size timber will I need to span this?.I was going to use 200mm x 50mm.Anyone know how to do the calculation for building regs?

Sam_68

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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Discuss with your Building Control Officer - some are more anal than others and they's taken the old span/joist sizing tables out of the Approved Document, so technically he could demand structural engineer's calcs, but from an old copy of the tables in Approved Document A, 200x50's would be a bit light: even at 400 centres, they'd only give you a maximum span of 4.79 metres.

From the tables, 225x63 at 450 centres would be your minimum (suitable for a span of up to 5.57 metres and dead load of 0.5kN/m2).

I'm sure a Structural Engineer will be along shortly to give more accurate advice, though.

andy c

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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Cheers for the quick reply,Where can I get a copy of these tables?

Spudler

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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Sam_68 said:
Discuss with your Building Control Officer - some are more anal than others
I'll go along with that. Last year i had no option but to put a flat roof on an extension, iirc just slighty longer than the 5.5 you after, and she said 220x50 was fine. So yeah, talk with your BCO.

Sam_68

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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They used to be in Approved Document A to the Building Regulations, but they've taken them out these days.

Having just looked, the amendment notes in the current Approved Document says 'guidance on sizing of traditional timber floors and roofs has been removed as the timber tables are now published by TRADA'.

TRADA seem to charge for their information, but try here

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 3rd October 12:40

herbialfa

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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Page 14!

Sam_68

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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herbialfa said:
Page 14!
Pages 50/51, surely? Page 14 is floors, the OP is asking about a flat roof?

andy c

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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looks like 220X47 will hit near the mark@400centres.ill ask the BCO.

herbialfa

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Sunday 3rd October 2010
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I stand corrected! :-(

eps

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Monday 4th October 2010
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From TRADA doc...

C16 strength grade timber can be done or C24 (stronger).

"Table 36 Permissible clear spans for joists for flat roofs with access for maintenance and repair only"

Imposed load 0.75 kN/m2.
Strength Class C16 Service Class 1 or 2

The following are okay :

63x220

75x195

75x220

C24

47x220

63x195

75x195

So should give you some options - of course the price will vary quite a bit from timber size to timber size, you might find that one of the above is cheaper than another. Of course you might be trying to fit the timber in to a specific roof height, so some may not be applicable for your use.