Is this racist or not?
Is this racist or not?
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pugwash4x4

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7,684 posts

252 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

is this episode racist or not- should it have gone to court?

having lived in Wales for quite some time (as a fervant Englishman) i was quite happy to put up with the usually friendly and occasionally not so friendly and threatening words from the local populace- to me it was part and parcel of the welsh/english divide- you just don't get that het up about something so silly.

Problem with the police reacting like this is that it doesn't defuse the situation in any way- just re-enfrces trenchant positions!

sday12

5,068 posts

242 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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No, it's regionalist you Scrumpy drinking Wurzel!

RobM77

35,349 posts

265 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Fairly blatant I thought. Fine in jest, but this was as part of an insult. He shouldn't get away with insulting a policeman anyway to be honest, racism or not.

pugwash4x4

Original Poster:

7,684 posts

252 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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sday12 said:
No, it's regionalist you Scrumpy drinking Wurzel!
have we met biggrinbiggrin

sleep envy

62,260 posts

280 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Might be, might not be. Either way it's pretty thick saying that to a plod in Wales.

He should look at his fine as a stupidity tax.

mchammer89

3,127 posts

244 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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sleep envy said:
Might be, might not be. Either way it's pretty thick saying that to a plod in Wales.

He should look at his fine as a stupidity tax.
Exactly my thoughts, complaining about being in the company of a Welshman in Wales, what a daft ste.

Cogcog

11,838 posts

266 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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I suggested to my English daughrer who lives in Wales that as the speed cameras South Wales Police use on the Severn Crossing are always pointing towards the incoming English traffic (especially on 6 Nations when Wales are at home) it was racist and she could appeal her conviction claiming racism.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

286 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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How is it racist... We're essentially the same race.

Flanders.

6,442 posts

239 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
How is it racist... We're essentially the same race.



Talk for yourself. hehe.

Cas_P

1,497 posts

214 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
How is it racist... We're essentially the same race.
It's still another country. Racism isn't based solely on skin colour.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

242 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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It was intended. Targetted. Rude and based entirely around the officer being welsh.

Yes I'd say it's racism.

From his other comments about not being able to pronounce the town he lives in it tells you a lot about his attitude to the Welsh.


Peter101

1,594 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Of course its not racism, for gods sake get a grip. the whole of the UK is pretty much made of the same gene pool. Its like someone from Portsmouth calling someone from Southampton a scummer. Is that racist??

pugwash4x4

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252 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Peter101 said:
Of course its not racism, for gods sake get a grip. the whole of the UK is pretty much made of the same gene pool. Its like someone from Portsmouth calling someone from Southampton a scummer. Is that racist??
this is my take- its not racism- just stupidity.

BUT you used to be able to buy T-shirts that said "i don't care who we beat just so long as we beat the english" or words to that effect. If you replace the work English with Blacks/Pakistanis etc etc then it owuldn't definitely be racist!

Peter101

1,594 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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pugwash4x4 said:
Peter101 said:
Of course its not racism, for gods sake get a grip. the whole of the UK is pretty much made of the same gene pool. Its like someone from Portsmouth calling someone from Southampton a scummer. Is that racist??
this is my take- its not racism- just stupidity.

BUT you used to be able to buy T-shirts that said "i don't care who we beat just so long as we beat the english" or words to that effect. If you replace the work English with Blacks/Pakistanis etc etc then it owuldn't definitely be racist!
This subject really riles me, the use of the word Racist seems to be used in such a wrong way. I think the over use of the word just creates more problems.

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

264 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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He told them: 'I don't like you because you're Welsh, you're breathing and you're here'.

As he is the same race as they are, I cannot see how this is racist. Bigotted, rude, and stupid, but I'd imagine most Welsh coppers have been called worse than "Welsh". Not saying he should go unpunished, just that it was the wrong charge.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

273 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Peter101 said:
like someone from Portsmouth calling someone from Southampton a scummer. Is that racist??
Bad example. The only difference between those 2 is that in Pompey the always grunt 'twenny' when they mean 20, whereas in Southampton no-one has learnt to count that high.

Otherwise, they are, genetically speaking, identically sub-human.


Peter101

1,594 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Justayellowbadge said:
Peter101 said:
like someone from Portsmouth calling someone from Southampton a scummer. Is that racist??
Bad example. The only difference between those 2 is that in Pompey the always grunt 'twenny' when they mean 20, whereas in Southampton no-one has learnt to count that high.

Otherwise, they are, genetically speaking, identically sub-human.
Thats a bit harsh, lucky I don't live in either city.

CDP

8,062 posts

285 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Sounds pretty stupid to me. And if he doesn't like Welsh people why the heck doesn't he get out of Wales?

Oh well, time for the floodgates to open.

Dracoro

9,038 posts

276 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Not racist of course, xenophobic I would say, yes.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

314 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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If someone said:

'I don't like you because you're Jewish, you're breathing and you're here'.

or

'I don't like you because you're black, you're breathing and you're here'.

or

'I don't like you because you're gay, you're breathing and you're here'.

Would any of those be more or less acceptable? If so why?

How about:

'I don't like you because you're a censored, you're breathing and you're here'.

The problem I have with this equality type law is that it seeks to emphasise on differences rather than reduce them. If you are going to put someone in front of a court for being generally unpleasant and thuggish that is one thing, but I'm not sure their motivation for being so is relevant.