another dodgy registration..F27 kitcar

[Comadis]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/gsxr-powered-f27-kit-car-/25...


"its started life as a 72 dutton so no road tax to pay and no emission test either"

[Yazza54]

'wot can i say'


How about everything you just said, again, in the queen's fking English.

It's bad enough the car is a bit dodgy, but illiteracy in adverts is a big nono. For me anyway, pet hate.


So what's he done, drilled a dutton chassis number off and stuck it on his f27 to avoid sva/iva?

Edited by Yazza54 on Monday 11th October 19:03

[Furyblade_Lee]

You'd be surprised at how many there are....

I know a guy who actually wrote a letter the the DVLA and said he had rebuilt his Dutton with a new chassis, new bodywork and new engine. They said no problem..... He got his new logbook and kept copies of the letters. They did not even ask to inspect it!!!! It is a loophole that for the integrity of kitcars should be closed up. I have seen his "new" car and in all honestly it should sail through IVA anyway, he is a pro mechanic, but its his choice to exploit the DVLA's stupidity and his risk not to IVA. Not sure of the insurance situation, but if the car sails through MOT's and it is just a title issue with the DVLA could the insurance still get funny come a payout??? Has anyone here tried to insure / get a payout from a kitcar with "Ford Escort" or "Jaguar" on the lokbook? I know of more than a few Challengers / Wildcats with "Jaguar" on the logbook from 1980's / early 1990's builds, where do they stand if they declare it is a Wilcat but come an insurance claim it has Jaguar on the log book?? And there must be a load of beach buggies with "Beetle" on the logs.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Just had a look at the ad, to most of us that is well dodgy, but to some if they can get away with it and it is cheap enough then it is bloody brilliant! I'd never buy one obviously!

[singlecoil]

In the last year there have been posts on this very forum puffing up new (and expensive) replicas, then when you look them up, the registration is the same as the make they are supposed to be replicating! There was another one in the Kit Car Magazine a while back, a replica of a well known Jaguar model. What's it registered as........ that's right, a Jaguar!

So it's not only at the lower end of the market that this stuff is going on.

[Furyblade_Lee]

There was that £100k F40 rep that had "Ferrari" on the log book. If ever there was a reason to find a severed horses's head in your bed that would be it.

[migwell]

When I went to register my Lambo replica they had all the details and still nearly put Lamborghini on the V5, if i hadnt stressed it was a replica she would have issued it, afterwards on thinking about it wished id kept quiet and had Lambo written down, as for the original post, could the chassis have been the early Dutton? dont know the sevens to compare

[singlecoil]

migwell said:

could the chassis have been the early Dutton? dont know the sevens to compare

Definitely not. That car is a ringer

[Comadis]

the only thing from the dutton is the V5c.....but: the engine size has been correctly altered in the documents, also the color of the car matches from the paperwork to the reality.

Edited by Comadis on Wednesday 13th October 19:28

[thescamper]

Anyone want to buy a V5c for a 7

Interestingly how could anyone prove that its not a Dutton. Maybe it was built in the bad old days of choosing your own name for a kit and the blokes name was Dutton. Be difficult to prove either way.

[Comadis]

as the name "Dutton" was already a well known manufacturer the dvla would not have allowed another person to call his car "dutton"

the prove is easy: open google picture search, or open the dutton club homepage and search for a dutton which looks similar to the one for sale...you wont find one, also compare the chassis with pictures of an original chassis which could be also found online.

i think there is something in process that during an MOT automatically a picture comes up on the computer of the test-station to show how the "original" kit looked like...but i think this "new" procedere will be valid only for actual kits.

[thescamper]

Comadis said:

as the name "Dutton" was already a well known manufacturer the dvla would not have allowed another person to call his car "dutton"

Knowing how bad the local VRO offices were I'm not too sure that they would have checked the Dutton name, I know someone who successfully registered the same kit three times to obtain 3 tax free kit registrations, all he did was invent a new chassis number and make a new chassis plate each time which may have well been fitted with velcro.

And it wasn't me I only have the one tax exempt kit.

Comadis said:

the prove is easy: open google picture search, or open the dutton club homepage and search for a dutton which looks similar to the one for sale...you wont find one, also compare the chassis with pictures of an original chassis which could be also found online.

But whats to stop the unscrupulous person uploading pictures himself and of course the Dutton Owners Club is a legally recognised entity and therefore is a legal source of identifying data.

Comadis said:

i think there is something in process that during an MOT automatically a picture comes up on the computer of the test-station to show how the "original" kit looked like...but i think this "new" procedere will be valid only for actual kits.

Assuming that the manufacturer is still around to supply the photos coz anything else is just here say.


We all know that the registration process for kits in the past was unregulated and very much up to one individuals whim on the day of the inspection, you cannot instantly blame the person selling the car for it being incorrectly registered according to todays rules, when I last registered a kit, the guy who inspected the car was more interested in not getting wet and that I had parked the trailer in the bosses parking space, in fact so disinterested was he that he got the chassis number wrong and allowed me to keep the wrong donor registration number, which actually had the effect of the car having a 'P' plate but according to the log book was tax exempt, was i going to argue not on you life.

Edited by thescamper on Wednesday 13th October 21:00

[ChrisJ.]

Would it be wrong to own a Dutton Phaeton, fit cycle wings and make it look more like a Caterham or another Seven(esque) car?

[Yazza54]

ChrisJ. said:

Would it be wrong to own a Dutton Phaeton, fit cycle wings and make it look more like a Caterham or another Seven(esque) car?

That's not forging a cars identity... This is.

[singlecoil]

ChrisJ. said:

Would it be wrong to own a Dutton Phaeton, fit cycle wings and make it look more like a Caterham or another Seven(esque) car?

Not in a legal sense, no. In an aesthetic sense, yes. This has been done many times and it looks awful each time. The shapes and proportions just don't work. Personally I think the Phaeton looks fine as it is.

[terbotron]

Has anyone seen this car I ask? No .anyone know what chasis it consists of ? No . Anyone know what old bits and new are fitted ? No.anyone asked how long it's been around registered as a dutton ? No. I agree with the earlier post, how many cobras use sierra and jaguar v5cs.are they likewise. Until any of you have seen it met the chap whose car it is I suggest your opinions are kept to yourselves .

[singlecoil]

terbotron said:

Has anyone seen this car I ask? No .anyone know what chasis it consists of ? No . Anyone know what old bits and new are fitted ? No.anyone asked how long it's been around registered as a dutton ? No. I agree with the earlier post, how many cobras use sierra and jaguar v5cs.are they likewise. Until any of you have seen it met the chap whose car it is I suggest your opinions are kept to yourselves .

Normally one welcomes first time posters, but if this is your standard, then you might as well fk off now. As a Dutton builder, and full time kit car doings personage, I can guarantee the car featured is NOT a Dutton, aand neither is its chassis

Hope that helps.

Good luck with the sale, BTW, though I pity the buyer.
(put 'f27 Dutton' into Google, this thread is the first result)

Edited by singlecoil on Saturday 16th October 14:57

[Furyblade_Lee]

Good luck selling the car trebetron.

[kev b]

Didn't Boyd Coddington of American Hotrod get caught out doing this sort of thing?As I recall he was registering his new scratch built customs as Toyotas or similar. What was the result of his court case?

[terbotron]

i aint to bothered thats how i bought the car but its nice to be compared to the late great boyd .