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The F40 for me, is the ultimate Ferrari I've always liked it and had a childhood love of the car. I was looking through them in the classifieds this lunchtime and got thinking - what are they like to own / live with? What sort of costs are involved with running one and keeping one top-notch?
The values and pricing of them also interest me - I know there are some with the perspex side windows, cars with and without(?) catalytic converters, adjustable suspension and so on. What makes one spec worth more than another and what should be looked for when buying? I'd love the concours car at £425k but am a few £'s short - seems very expensive though - even for an F40?
Lots of questions I know but as well as the Googling I've done I'd be interesing to draw upon the knowledge on here too.
Thanks in advance.
The values and pricing of them also interest me - I know there are some with the perspex side windows, cars with and without(?) catalytic converters, adjustable suspension and so on. What makes one spec worth more than another and what should be looked for when buying? I'd love the concours car at £425k but am a few £'s short - seems very expensive though - even for an F40?
Lots of questions I know but as well as the Googling I've done I'd be interesing to draw upon the knowledge on here too.
Thanks in advance.
Having owned one, personally I wish I'd kept it as a dream, the reality is it's a great car, but nothing can live with the hype the car has received over the years. First few drives the turbo lag and kick in the back are amazing, when you then understand the handling, brakes and steering you do very much realize just how much the world has moved forward.
Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
SpeedYellow said:
Having owned one, personally I wish I'd kept it as a dream, the reality is it's a great car, but nothing can live with the hype the car has received over the years. First few drives the turbo lag and kick in the back are amazing, when you then understand the handling, brakes and steering you do very much realize just how much the world has moved forward.
Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
Off Topic but what a garage and an epic car history.Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
Top marks
Groober said:
SpeedYellow said:
Having owned one, personally I wish I'd kept it as a dream, the reality is it's a great car, but nothing can live with the hype the car has received over the years. First few drives the turbo lag and kick in the back are amazing, when you then understand the handling, brakes and steering you do very much realize just how much the world has moved forward.
Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
Off Topic but what a garage and an epic car history.Not having a go at the car, but as an ownership prospect it struggles again unfair hype in reality.
However if you like being surrounded by people everywhere you go, getting stopped constantly for people to have a look, they are up there with only a Countach!
Top marks
Awesome car history!.
markcoznottz said:
With modern brakes, tyres and suspension, would be as fast as a modern supercar round a track. Rubbers moved on, so x4 tyres not too ££, suspension, maybe some tasty coilovers, and then new brakes, which some owners in USA have done?. Would this make a much improved car?
You could, but to me I'd rather leave them as they are, the ultimate at a point in time, I've got a notchback Mustang race car with interesting dynamics and crap brakes but because it's 60's it's different. I think if I had an F40 in another 20 years I'd feel the same, but now it's just a little halfway, not modern, not really classic yet (especially the brutal if on off power delivery) so you jump into something like a Zonda or CGT and it can't compare.That's the joy of cars though, nothing is perfect and sometimes the issues make them fun.
Point in case, I sold a 355 when I'd owned it for two years from new and didn't give it a second glance. Ended up buying one off a mate so he could get the next car he wanted and was just going to sell it after a European blast. Now somehow the car is great and I wouldn't part with it.... maybe I'm finally getting old... doh!
Edited by SpeedYellow on Tuesday 12th October 15:10
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
SpeedYellow said:
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
ChristPlus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Dont believe this bloke for one minute, he is so full of it
met him on the alpine tour last year he was driving a 1985 porsche 911 and not a ruf
he lives on a small 1 bed barge, he wears round glasses and a wig.
the porsche was borrowed
the only car he ownes is a 1.6 ghia orion in brown.
he does however read alot of magazines.
thats how he knows so much (or reckons)
The funny thing is he tells everyone that he is a millionaire and ownes loads of cars and a big yacht. Sold his business
Last i saw of him was down the dole que as I passed him in a real car.
jdwcd said:
SpeedYellow said:
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
ChristPlus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Dont believe this bloke for one minute, he is so full of it
met him on the alpine tour last year he was driving a 1985 porsche 911 and not a ruf
he lives on a small 1 bed barge, he wears round glasses and a wig.
the porsche was borrowed
the only car he ownes is a 1.6 ghia orion in brown.
he does however read alot of magazines.
thats how he knows so much (or reckons)
The funny thing is he tells everyone that he is a millionaire and ownes loads of cars and a big yacht. Sold his business
Last i saw of him was down the dole que as I passed him in a real car.
Edited by ZOLLAR on Tuesday 12th October 16:26
jdwcd said:
SpeedYellow said:
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
ChristPlus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Dont believe this bloke for one minute, he is so full of it
met him on the alpine tour last year he was driving a 1985 porsche 911 and not a ruf
he lives on a small 1 bed barge, he wears round glasses and a wig.
the porsche was borrowed
the only car he ownes is a 1.6 ghia orion in brown.
he does however read alot of magazines.
thats how he knows so much (or reckons)
The funny thing is he tells everyone that he is a millionaire and ownes loads of cars and a big yacht. Sold his business
Last i saw of him was down the dole que as I passed him in a real car.
SpeedYellow said:
jdwcd said:
SpeedYellow said:
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
ChristPlus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Dont believe this bloke for one minute, he is so full of it
met him on the alpine tour last year he was driving a 1985 porsche 911 and not a ruf
he lives on a small 1 bed barge, he wears round glasses and a wig.
the porsche was borrowed
the only car he ownes is a 1.6 ghia orion in brown.
he does however read alot of magazines.
thats how he knows so much (or reckons)
The funny thing is he tells everyone that he is a millionaire and ownes loads of cars and a big yacht. Sold his business
Last i saw of him was down the dole que as I passed him in a real car.
Hows things matey
SpeedYellow said:
markcoznottz said:
With modern brakes, tyres and suspension, would be as fast as a modern supercar round a track. Rubbers moved on, so x4 tyres not too ££, suspension, maybe some tasty coilovers, and then new brakes, which some owners in USA have done?. Would this make a much improved car?
I think if I had an F40 in another 20 years I'd feel the same, but now it's just a little halfway, not modern, not really classic yet (especially the brutal if on off power delivery) so you jump into something like a Zonda or CGT and it can't compare.Edited by SpeedYellow on Tuesday 12th October 15:10
jdwcd said:
SpeedYellow said:
jdwcd said:
SpeedYellow said:
Oh and on costs, I had a couple of turbos go, one clutch (easy change), set of adjustable suspension (you need it to get over speed bumps in the real world but it's a pain in the arse system). Aircon rad blew and the small issue of a fire.... do to turbo failure spraying hot oil all over exhaust manifold... interesting experience but car was saved.
Plus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
ChristPlus don't forget that ever 10 years they need new tanks plus other bits. Overall though robust cars.
Dont believe this bloke for one minute, he is so full of it
met him on the alpine tour last year he was driving a 1985 porsche 911 and not a ruf
he lives on a small 1 bed barge, he wears round glasses and a wig.
the porsche was borrowed
the only car he ownes is a 1.6 ghia orion in brown.
he does however read alot of magazines.
thats how he knows so much (or reckons)
The funny thing is he tells everyone that he is a millionaire and ownes loads of cars and a big yacht. Sold his business
Last i saw of him was down the dole que as I passed him in a real car.
Hows things matey
Have driven rather than owned but doesn't stack up for me. It was great in its time but unless you're a collector it's well past its best as a drive - a bit like shagging Joan Collins, using a early compaq 486 lappy, flying a 1970's cessna.
If you take your pleasure from owning (and polishing) possibly, if you could pick one up for £150k probably, but well overhyped definitely.
If you take your pleasure from owning (and polishing) possibly, if you could pick one up for £150k probably, but well overhyped definitely.
Yes the F40 is not the greatest car to drive although it was superb in it's day. I bought a 1992 car in 1995 and there wasn't much better back then. Sold it after a couple of years and regretted it like mad. So bought another one 2 years ago and I must admit that modern cars have moved on by comparison.
1st one was a cat car (non-adjust) and current one is non-cat, non-adj. Much better in my view.
Yes it does feel like an old girl to drive but still way, way ahead of just about everything else on the road (IMHO of course). The CGT is far better as a driving machine but that should not detract from what is such an iconic car.
I guess the true ownership of an F40 isn't just about the driving alone. It just makes me feel happy. I mean, just look at it.
Now running costs - not good lol. Let's just say that you must always expect the unexpected. It is a highly tuned (for its day) 20 odd year old ferrari that can have its little moments.
I will not be making the same mistake again by selling this one.
1st one was a cat car (non-adjust) and current one is non-cat, non-adj. Much better in my view.
Yes it does feel like an old girl to drive but still way, way ahead of just about everything else on the road (IMHO of course). The CGT is far better as a driving machine but that should not detract from what is such an iconic car.
I guess the true ownership of an F40 isn't just about the driving alone. It just makes me feel happy
. I mean, just look at it.Now running costs - not good lol. Let's just say that you must always expect the unexpected. It is a highly tuned (for its day) 20 odd year old ferrari that can have its little moments.
I will not be making the same mistake again by selling this one.
Mike Rob said:
Yes the F40 is not the greatest car to drive although it was superb in it's day. I bought a 1992 car in 1995 and there wasn't much better back then. Sold it after a couple of years and regretted it like mad. So bought another one 2 years ago and I must admit that modern cars have moved on by comparison.
1st one was a cat car (non-adjust) and current one is non-cat, non-adj. Much better in my view.
Yes it does feel like an old girl to drive but still way, way ahead of just about everything else on the road (IMHO of course). The CGT is far better as a driving machine but that should not detract from what is such an iconic car.
I guess the true ownership of an F40 isn't just about the driving alone. It just makes me feel happy. I mean, just look at it.
Now running costs - not good lol. Let's just say that you must always expect the unexpected. It is a highly tuned (for its day) 20 odd year old ferrari that can have its little moments.
I will not be making the same mistake again by selling this one.
Why do we get no technical input nowdays from anyone one on PH?. Drives me mad from a bunch of people who are supposedly eloquent and educated. Why is the CGT a 'far better driving machine'. I have a friend who wont drive his CGT in traffic because hes worried about stalling. Is that progress?. 1st one was a cat car (non-adjust) and current one is non-cat, non-adj. Much better in my view.
Yes it does feel like an old girl to drive but still way, way ahead of just about everything else on the road (IMHO of course). The CGT is far better as a driving machine but that should not detract from what is such an iconic car.
I guess the true ownership of an F40 isn't just about the driving alone. It just makes me feel happy
. I mean, just look at it.Now running costs - not good lol. Let's just say that you must always expect the unexpected. It is a highly tuned (for its day) 20 odd year old ferrari that can have its little moments.
I will not be making the same mistake again by selling this one.
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