Evo 8 MR FQ 360 or 400?

[C Koll]

Hey guys,

Im thinking about getting an Evo 8 in the near future but am unsure which one to get.

I love the 8 shape and styling. Been a fan of Evo's since i was young and always promised myself id own one. So im sure i want an 8 BUT i just dont know if i should get the 360 or the 400

Any help with the pro's / con's between the two would be greatly appreciated.

(ive heard that with the 400 you have to service the turbo every 4k miles...this true?)

Thanks for reading, i look forward to any suggestions (that are helpful)

[Soovy]

I think the service intervals on the 400 are about every five minutes.

[youngsyr]

Soovy said:

I think the service intervals on the 400 are about every five minutes.

Not that old chestnut again!

The service intervals on all of the Evo VII to IX MRs is every 4,500 miles or 6 months, whichever is sooner. Yes, that is more often than a Ford Mondeo, but a Ford Mondeo doesn't produce 200 bhp per litre of engine capacity!

To the op: first of all, you'll struggle to find an VIII FQ360 as they didn't make one. The IX was the first version of the car to be built in FQ-360 guise.

Secondly, there is a huge difference between the VIII MR FQ-340 (the highest spec. VIII MR FQ version) and the VIII MR FQ-400, to list a few significant differences on the VIII MR FQ-400 over the VIII MR FQ-340:

- Completely forged engine (good for around 500 bhp, but not 100% reliable)
- Bespoke turbo and exhaust manifold (more lag and power than standard)
- Paddle clutch (harder to use, but can handle a lot of power)
- Motec ECU (expensive to remap, can be tricky to get reasonable driveability)


You really need to do your research on both of your cars, they are quite different animals, despite seeming very similar from the outside.

[Marf]

Buy a 3xx and mod it to the power you want.

[C Koll]

Youngsyr::
Thanks for your comment, just so you this is the start of my research

I didnt realise that there where no evo8 360's ...

That may make my choice easier as i may now look into a evo 9 fq360.

Thanks for the brief lesson... I will get on and do my research now

Thanks dude

[youngsyr]

This would be a good place to start your research:

http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=156...

[Mutton]

The VIII FQ-400 is a very special car indeed but the IX FQ-360 is a better all rounder, which I why I went for one in the end. The torque spread is much wider, plus the IX has the benefit of having the MIVEC system which transforms the engine into an excellent one. The only thing I don't like on my FQ-360 is the notchy gearchange of the 6 speeder when cold - very annoying but does go once warmed up.

[youngsyr]

Mutton said:

The VIII FQ-400 is a very special car indeed but the IX FQ-360 is a better all rounder, which I why I went for one in the end. The torque spread is much wider, plus the IX has the benefit of having the MIVEC system which transforms the engine into an excellent one. The only thing I don't like on my FQ-360 is the notchy gearchange of the 6 speeder when cold - very annoying but does go once warmed up.

It depends what you're going to do with the car, really. The FQ-400 is a hell of a platform to modify to 500 bhp plus. If you're staying at 400 bhp, a IX FQ-300 with a new exhaust, fuel pump and a map tweak is a better bet.

To me the IX FQ-360 is a bit in between, but if you are 100% confident you won't modify your Evo, even to just tweak the map, then the IX MR FQ-360 is the best bet out of the later Evos, in my opinion.

[C Koll]

Well honestly i want to take the car to around 700+bhp... I may even make it rear wheel drive and turn it into a drift spec car (thats a huge maybe tho)

Pretty much tho i want to have a long term project of tuning the car slowly but to perfection. (i, trying to beat my brothers R34 GTR)

So as i want to highly mod the car do u suggest going the 8 FQ 400? Is that the best platform to start from?
Could an IX FQ 360 handle that amount of power as easily as the 400?

Sorry for such noob questions, just really trying to get to grips with the differences between the 2 cars

[youngsyr]

C Koll said:

Well honestly i want to take the car to around 700+bhp... I may even make it rear wheel drive and turn it into a drift spec car (thats a huge maybe tho)

Pretty much tho i want to have a long term project of tuning the car slowly but to perfection. (i, trying to beat my brothers R34 GTR)

So as i want to highly mod the car do u suggest going the 8 FQ 400? Is that the best platform to start from?
Could an IX FQ 360 handle that amount of power as easily as the 400?

Sorry for such noob questions, just really trying to get to grips with the differences between the 2 cars

You say you want to get the car to 700 bhp, yet you don't know the difference between a forged engine and a non-forged one, as I posted above? Something doesn't quite sound right here.

If you're genuine, I would speak to Norris Designs, they have a 900 bhp RWD Evo that they use for drag racing and would be able to offer you decent advice. I hope you've got £100K plus going spare though!

If you want to understand the differences between the two cars, read the link I posted. It details the differences.

[rhinochopig]

C Koll said:

Well honestly i want to take the car to around 700+bhp... I may even make it rear wheel drive and turn it into a drift spec car (thats a huge maybe tho)

Pretty much tho i want to have a long term project of tuning the car slowly but to perfection. (i, trying to beat my brothers R34 GTR)

So as i want to highly mod the car do u suggest going the 8 FQ 400? Is that the best platform to start from?
Could an IX FQ 360 handle that amount of power as easily as the 400?

Sorry for such noob questions, just really trying to get to grips with the differences between the 2 cars

In that case an VII/VIIIRS or IXGT might be a better choice. They were the grp N cars so are more suited to developing into a competition car. They have the stronger 5 speed box, are a chunk lighter, quicker steering rack, have extra bracing, and mech diffs instead of ACD and AYC - although RS cars could be specced up pretty much GSR spec though.

[C Koll]

I do want to one day have the car up to those specs... But as you can imagine it will take time. In that time i will get to know the car inside out.

I am genuine lol.. I have already read the link (about 4 times)you posted and it was very imformative. It shed a lot of light of the diff aspects of each edition of the Evoloutions.

Like i said before, i always had a passion for Evo's but never really done more than admire from afar. Now i find myself in a position to actually own one.(im sure there was a time when you also didnt know every detail about the car) like said, im just starting my research, ive never looked into it b4 as it wasnt a reality... Now it is a reality, im going to look into it properly. I just wanted to get a little guidance to help me get pointed in the right direction..

[Jacopo82]

Soovy said:

I think the service intervals on the 400 are about every five minutes.

Really??

[dazman_1]

Get this to start - http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=337... When you get used to the power then you'll have a good base for more.

[rb5230]

evo9 fq360 is an awesome machine.

[Wadeski]

tbh if all you want to do is beat a (im guessing tuned) R34 GTR i wouldnt buy an evo, i would buy a late-model Vette and a procharger kit. Or a tuned, supercharged Monaro / VXR8.

a healthy 650bhp should see him off in a straight line, and i doubt a decent C5 Z06 would be shown up in the corners either.

[k15tox]

Wadeski said:

tbh if all you want to do is beat a (im guessing tuned) R34 GTR i wouldnt buy an evo, i would buy a late-model Vette and a procharger kit. Or a tuned, supercharged Monaro / VXR8.

a healthy 650bhp should see him off in a straight line, and i doubt a decent C5 Z06 would be shown up in the corners either.

amen.

no turbo lag, and bullet proof reliabltiy! (provided you keep the boost low on stock internals)

[C Koll]

k15tox said:

Wadeski said:

tbh if all you want to do is beat a (im guessing tuned) R34 GTR i wouldnt buy an evo, i would buy a late-model Vette and a procharger kit. Or a tuned, supercharged Monaro / VXR8.

a healthy 650bhp should see him off in a straight line, and i doubt a decent C5 Z06 would be shown up in the corners either.

amen.

no turbo lag, and bullet proof reliabltiy! (provided you keep the boost low on stock internals)

Thanks for the suggestion, but id never own an american "performance" car lol. Never really had any pasion/respect for them

I currently have a modded 911 carrera with 400bhp Ruf tuned. Now this car does beat him, but its more a brotherly quest to tune the car faster than the other... Not just in performance, more in general.

The reason for this thread is to find what a better base to start with, a 400 or a 360. Just wanted to see if there was any issues that would prevent me reaching my goals with one of the models. Had to find check with the piston heads massive would say on such a topic, as there are quite a few who know whats what when it comes to modding said cars.

[Evil.soup]

C Koll said:

k15tox said:

Wadeski said:

tbh if all you want to do is beat a (im guessing tuned) R34 GTR i wouldnt buy an evo, i would buy a late-model Vette and a procharger kit. Or a tuned, supercharged Monaro / VXR8.

a healthy 650bhp should see him off in a straight line, and i doubt a decent C5 Z06 would be shown up in the corners either.

amen.

no turbo lag, and bullet proof reliabltiy! (provided you keep the boost low on stock internals)

Thanks for the suggestion, but id never own an american "performance" car lol. Never really had any pasion/respect for them

I currently have a modded 911 carrera with 400bhp Ruf tuned. Now this car does beat him, but its more a brotherly quest to tune the car faster than the other... Not just in performance, more in general.

The reason for this thread is to find what a better base to start with, a 400 or a 360. Just wanted to see if there was any issues that would prevent me reaching my goals with one of the models. Had to find check with the piston heads massive would say on such a topic, as there are quite a few who know whats what when it comes to modding said cars.

If you are really aiming for 700bhp then the base car doesnt make a whole lot of difference IMO. To get those numbers you will need to rebuild the whole engine anyway and reliability will be compromised. I have been told by an Evo tuner that the FQ MR 320 is a great base car to start from in tuning terms so if 360 is in your mind then i would start there.

Out of curiosity. If you can afford to own a Ruf 911 how come its only know an Evo is in your sights, did a woman put the brakes on or something??

[youngsyr]

Evil.soup said:

If you are really aiming for 700bhp then the base car doesnt make a whole lot of difference IMO. To get those numbers you will need to rebuild the whole engine anyway and reliability will be compromised. I have been told by an Evo tuner that the FQ MR 320 is a great base car to start from in tuning terms so if 360 is in your mind then i would start there.

Out of curiosity. If you can afford to own a Ruf 911 how come its only know an Evo is in your sights, did a woman put the brakes on or something??

As above, the FQ-360 was only available from the IX onwards, so you can't really compare it to an VIII MR FQ-320 as the prices will be several thousand pounds different for similar spec/mileage cars.

As for opting for an VIII MR FQ-320 over an VIII MR FQ-300, I can't really see the logic. The only parts an FQ-320 has over the FQ-300 are a slightly larger (but still restrictive) exhaust, hard pipe kit (with too small a diameter recirc blow off valve port), uprated panel filter (which will be replaced with an induction kit) and badges. You may as well start with the cheaper VIII MR FQ-300 (or even better/cheaper an VIII MR grey import).