Has the Pug Mi16 engine ever been used in a kit car build?
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Just a general wondering thread really. I'm a bit of a newbie to kit cars (I own a TVR, which is a sort of pre-built kit car sold as a production model from what I can work out) and I'm working in and around many kit cars at the moment, which got me thinking earlier while looking at a Dax Rush....has the Peugeot/Citroen XU9J4 (aka Mi16) ever been used in this type of car, or any kit car for that matter?
Spec:
http://blog.ifcho.net/info/mi16-spec/
It'd be a good unit to use: all-alloy so fairly lightweight (just over 100kg I believe), 160bhp out of the box running on Motronic ML4.1, but will happily run Megasquirt or Emerald all day long. Makes a nice noise too! Would DEFINATELY need a baffled sump fitting though....oil surge is a big problem on track cars with non-baffled sumps.
Aside from being a bit more durable however, I can't see many benefits over say a VVC K-series or tuned Duratec, both of which are easier to get conversion parts for, so I wouldn't be surprised if no one has really tried it. They were only fitted to transverse engined cars, to my knowledge there are no RWD gearbox setups to fit them (although Rover did use Peugeot BE gearboxes for a time, so if they fit K-series in theory it can't be too hard to use the gearbox a K-series would use in a kit car on this engine....possibly!
They're also thin on the ground.... although it just so happens I have one in the boot of my car
I'm toying with the idea of it. I wouldn't entertain building something around it, I think I'd stick with the proven Lotus-7 type design/Sierra back axle etc, and concentrate on finding a way to get this engine to power it all. But I know more about this engine than pretty much every other engine combined, so I'd be keen to make it work.
Any thoughts, apart from why? What's the point? Peugeots & Citroens are s
t etc etc
Cheers
Spec:
http://blog.ifcho.net/info/mi16-spec/
It'd be a good unit to use: all-alloy so fairly lightweight (just over 100kg I believe), 160bhp out of the box running on Motronic ML4.1, but will happily run Megasquirt or Emerald all day long. Makes a nice noise too! Would DEFINATELY need a baffled sump fitting though....oil surge is a big problem on track cars with non-baffled sumps.
Aside from being a bit more durable however, I can't see many benefits over say a VVC K-series or tuned Duratec, both of which are easier to get conversion parts for, so I wouldn't be surprised if no one has really tried it. They were only fitted to transverse engined cars, to my knowledge there are no RWD gearbox setups to fit them (although Rover did use Peugeot BE gearboxes for a time, so if they fit K-series in theory it can't be too hard to use the gearbox a K-series would use in a kit car on this engine....possibly!
They're also thin on the ground.... although it just so happens I have one in the boot of my car
I'm toying with the idea of it. I wouldn't entertain building something around it, I think I'd stick with the proven Lotus-7 type design/Sierra back axle etc, and concentrate on finding a way to get this engine to power it all. But I know more about this engine than pretty much every other engine combined, so I'd be keen to make it work.
Any thoughts, apart from why? What's the point? Peugeots & Citroens are s
t etc etc Cheers
As an ex-205 GTi owner, I do love this engine...
Had a rebuilt one sitting in the garage for ages and gave it away to a friend, in the end.
It was used, mounted longtudinally with a Renault transaxle, in a quite nice looking kit about 10 years or so ago... I just can't remember it's name. I think the body panels were bought by a chap who now does a kit using the MG-F.
Have a Google!
Had a rebuilt one sitting in the garage for ages and gave it away to a friend, in the end.
It was used, mounted longtudinally with a Renault transaxle, in a quite nice looking kit about 10 years or so ago... I just can't remember it's name. I think the body panels were bought by a chap who now does a kit using the MG-F.
Have a Google!
I seem to remember one which is probably the same as the one Dom is talking about. I can't remember what it used to be called (Genesis rings a bell for some reason but could be wrong) but it's now the Blaze RR.
Blaze Motorsport
The blue car is the one I seem to remember with the Pug engine in it.
Blaze Motorsport
The blue car is the one I seem to remember with the Pug engine in it.
Kev M said:
I seem to remember one which is probably the same as the one Dom is talking about. I can't remember what it used to be called (Genesis rings a bell for some reason but could be wrong) but it's now the Blaze RR.
Blaze Motorsport
The blue car is the one I seem to remember with the Pug engine in it.
That's the one! Blaze Motorsport
The blue car is the one I seem to remember with the Pug engine in it.
The Blaze car I believe used to be the Pell Genesis, and i dont think it used a transaxle, just engine and gearbox lifted straight out of the FWD Peugeot and mounted in the rear. And I thought it used a regular 1.9 Gti. Not to say an Mi16 was not used in another, but i think the demo car was a Gti.
The body of the Blaze is from a Pell Genesis (Aeon bought the rights), but its chassis is a modified aeon chassis. Didn't know there was a pug engine in one, I think one has a VAG turbo engine, one a Kawasaki bike engine (IIRC) and one a Hayabusa engine.
Edited by Colin 1985 on Saturday 23 October 04:35
Could be onto something. Goes a bit like this:
Citroen/Peugeot produced XU engine series, of which the Mi16 is one. All use BE gearboxes and all are pretty much interchangable, 1600's to 1900's, diesels to petrols etc etc.
LDV produce the Sherpa/Pilot vans, some of which using a PSA 1.9 XU diesel engine. The vans are RWD. This gearbox would fit an Mi16 engine, because all XU's of the era use the same gearbox mounting holes.
Although the ratios and sheer size/weight of the box may be an issue! But, I'm hoping LDV being LDV, the gearbox was a hybrid of PSA and something like a Ford box, possibly MT75, making to possibility of building something custom much more positive!
Citroen/Peugeot produced XU engine series, of which the Mi16 is one. All use BE gearboxes and all are pretty much interchangable, 1600's to 1900's, diesels to petrols etc etc.
LDV produce the Sherpa/Pilot vans, some of which using a PSA 1.9 XU diesel engine. The vans are RWD. This gearbox would fit an Mi16 engine, because all XU's of the era use the same gearbox mounting holes.
Although the ratios and sheer size/weight of the box may be an issue! But, I'm hoping LDV being LDV, the gearbox was a hybrid of PSA and something like a Ford box, possibly MT75, making to possibility of building something custom much more positive!
Interesting thread.
I have seen the XU engine used to upgrade some of Matra Murena and Bageera models.
The 1700 Diesel Turbo xud engine was used in Rover 200 series for a while, this would indicate that there must be some interchangability with the K Series. I never had to take the box out of one so not sure if it used the citroen box.
I must admit I have always wondered how Tata hooked up the XU engine to a 4 wheel drive system. I have stored that one for the BX4TC replica....
I used to own a 115CH Visa GTI with a few mods on it, spent 10 years working on Citroens, I still have a box of the little tappet shims somewhere for the XU .....
I have seen the XU engine used to upgrade some of Matra Murena and Bageera models.
The 1700 Diesel Turbo xud engine was used in Rover 200 series for a while, this would indicate that there must be some interchangability with the K Series. I never had to take the box out of one so not sure if it used the citroen box.
I must admit I have always wondered how Tata hooked up the XU engine to a 4 wheel drive system. I have stored that one for the BX4TC replica....
I used to own a 115CH Visa GTI with a few mods on it, spent 10 years working on Citroens, I still have a box of the little tappet shims somewhere for the XU .....
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