Championship Positions Assuming no Failiures/crashes

[DangerousMike]

There is an interesting article up at F1fanatic about what the championshio positions woul dbe if there had been no crashes and no mechanical failiures.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/19/hes-14-point...

There was a bit of discussion about this in other threads, so I thought I would post it up here. The results are quite revealing, I think by eliminating errors (mistakes) and failiures (luck) you get a decent picture of who the fastest drivers are. (note to people who want to wilfully misread that: I said fastest, not most consistent, best, my favourite, or anything else).

Position	Driver	Hypothetical points	Actual position and points
1	Sebastian Vettel	297	2nd, 206 points
2	Lewis Hamilton	238	4th, 192 points
3	Mark Webber	231	1st, 220 points
4	Fernando Alonso	209	2nd, 206 points
5	Jenson Button	175	5th, 189 points

So here are the lost point, which is also very telling

	Car failure	Driver error	Other
Mark Webber	2	16	4
Sebastian Vettel	45	43	9
Fernando Alonso	4	34	21
Lewis Hamilton	35	12	17
Jenson Button	4	0	12

Edited by DangerousMike on Tuesday 19th October 09:37

[sjtscott]

DangerousMike said:

There is an interesting article up at F1fanatic about what the championshio positions woul dbe if there had been no crashes and no mechanical failiures.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/19/hes-14-point...

There was a bit of discussion about this in other threads, so I thought I would post it up here. The results are quite revealing, I think by eliminating errors (mistakes) and failiures (luck) you get a decent picture of who the fastest drivers are. (note to people who want to wilfully misread that: I said fastest, not most consistent, best, my favourite, or anything else).

Position	Driver	Hypothetical points	Actual position and points
1	Sebastian Vettel	297	2nd, 206 points
2	Lewis Hamilton	238	4th, 192 points
3	Mark Webber	231	1st, 220 points
4	Fernando Alonso	209	2nd, 206 points
5	Jenson Button	175	5th, 189 points

So here are the lost point, which is also very telling

	Car failure	Driver error	Other
Mark Webber	2	16	4
Sebastian Vettel	45	43	9
Fernando Alonso	4	34	21
Lewis Hamilton	35	12	17
Jenson Button	4	0	12

Edited by DangerousMike on Tuesday 19th October 09:37

No doubting that Vettel should have had the title sewn up ages ago - but that its actually more in his own hands than others
Just shows that Vettel gets k*ob jockey of the year award then for his 'lack' comparatively of driving talent despite being the fastest driver over a single lap on multiple occations. Realistically since both McLaren lads are unlikely to take the title I'll put my support behind Webber, cos I certainly don't want Alfonso or arrogant, blame everybody but yourself, useless at passing, wannabe Schumy Jr aka Vettel to win!

[snorkel sucker]

the bottom table is the most interesting. Button having done a sterling job

How are the points worked out in the top table? Are they based on a hypothetical finishing position of the driver at the point at which they retired from the race e.g. Hamilton's engine blew on lap 37, and he was 5th place. Points assumed for that race are based on a 5th place finish

[DangerousMike]

I think something like that, yes. There is an excel spreadsheet available if you follow the link to the F1fanatic article.

Button has had 0 points lost through driver error, but you have to wonder if he might not benefit from taking bigger risks to gain more points, given the scoring of the other drivers, who from the number of points lost seem not just to have lost more points due to driver error but also gained more points due to higher finishing positions.

[Al W]

The responses to JB nicely sum up the problem with this kind of statistics.
To one camp he's driven superbly with no errors, while to the other he isn't trying hard enough.

[RB Will]

putting a slight twist on it can somebody work out how the championship would be on the old points system.

[Scuffers]

Al W said:

The responses to JB nicely sum up the problem with this kind of statistics.
To one camp he's driven superbly with no errors, while to the other he isn't trying hard enough.

I think that's the point though

the best has to manage the balance, being safe and reliable is not going to win you the crown any more than over-driving and throwing the car in the gravel etc.

[BigBen]

Scuffers said:

Al W said:

The responses to JB nicely sum up the problem with this kind of statistics.
To one camp he's driven superbly with no errors, while to the other he isn't trying hard enough.

I think that's the point though

the best has to manage the balance, being safe and reliable is not going to win you the crown any more than over-driving and throwing the car in the gravel etc.

I think in the case of JB it is flawed. They show he only lost 4 points from car failure which was presumably at Monaco, I think he would have done better than that. It also does not allow for Red Bull drivers (for instance) crashing into your side pod at full chat, another load of points gone.

Ben

[DangerousMike]

it does, that comes under 'other'

[BigBen]

DangerousMike said:

it does, that comes under 'other'

whoops, good point well put.

[DangerousMike]

BigBen said:

DangerousMike said:

it does, that comes under 'other'

whoops, good point well put.

[RB Will]

RB Will said:

putting a slight twist on it can somebody work out how the championship would be on the old points system.

I did it myself

Webber - 88
Vettel - 84
Alonso - 83
Hamilton - 79
Button - 77

[oyster]

RB Will said:

RB Will said:

putting a slight twist on it can somebody work out how the championship would be on the old points system.

I did it myself

Webber - 88
Vettel - 84
Alonso - 83
Hamilton - 79
Button - 77

And under even older points rules (10,6,4,3,2,1):

Webber - 71
Alonso - 67
Vettel - 64
Hamilton - 61
Button - 55