New Griff build, refurbished or new?
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If you had the opportunity to build a new Griff,(well, new unregistered TVR rolling chassis,new body shell, unobtainable parts refurbished)Possibly not RV8 powered, very slight but tastefull cosmetic changes, would you consider this to be a new TVR, a refurbished TVR, or kit car?
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
hiltonig said:
Well it would be classed as a kit car, that being the case a chevy v8 please. How could it be a TVR is it ain't made in blackpool and it's never seen the factory ?
Yes, without a factory issued chassis number it would be a kit, I guess i'm trying to gaze into a crystal ball as to future providence or lack of. Edited by hiltonig on Friday 22 October 07:00
Using an old tat for the sake of a chassis number is an option purely to keep it a TVR, however it still gets you the same result with ??? miles and ??? age, against a 0 miles new "Kit car".
All Melling tried the 'new' Griffith route with his Hellcat project, whilst it was a good attempt it wasn't a viable commercial proposition. You only have to look at what else you can buy for the same money....
Best route would be to do fully refurbished cars, new chassis, refurbished body, new / refurbished engine and new interior... along the lines that Lynx are doing with the E type, Aston Martin Works with older Astons, and even KWE are doing with the XJS Jag.
Paul
Best route would be to do fully refurbished cars, new chassis, refurbished body, new / refurbished engine and new interior... along the lines that Lynx are doing with the E type, Aston Martin Works with older Astons, and even KWE are doing with the XJS Jag.
Paul
Onno has a thread running on the TVRCC forum:
http://www.tvr-car-club.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.as...
It is a complete documentation of his ground up Griffith Restoration. It is a great thread with lots of pics. The attention to detail is astounding.
http://www.tvr-car-club.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.as...
It is a complete documentation of his ground up Griffith Restoration. It is a great thread with lots of pics. The attention to detail is astounding.
v8sag said:
If you had the opportunity to build a new Griff,(well, new unregistered TVR rolling chassis,new body shell, unobtainable parts refurbished)Possibly not RV8 powered, very slight but tastefull cosmetic changes, would you consider this to be a new TVR, a refurbished TVR, or kit car?
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
If built from all new parts, or parts refurbished to as-new standard, then I believe the DVLA will regard that as a new vehicle as far as registering it goes. If chassis has no number on it then just put one on it yourself - I don't believe there's any special magic thing about chassis numbers, just that it has to have one and you're not allowed to change it (this was the case last time I checked for kit car reasons.)I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
Personally, if built well, I'd regard it as good as new, or could even be better. Ultimately, these kinds of cars are valued based on what they actually are, not on some notional list value.
Pum said:
v8sag said:
If you had the opportunity to build a new Griff,(well, new unregistered TVR rolling chassis,new body shell, unobtainable parts refurbished)Possibly not RV8 powered, very slight but tastefull cosmetic changes, would you consider this to be a new TVR, a refurbished TVR, or kit car?
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
If built from all new parts, or parts refurbished to as-new standard, then I believe the DVLA will regard that as a new vehicle as far as registering it goes. I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
Registering a car as new wont be a problem, registering as a new TVR will.
I'm pretty sure with the refurbished to new Aston, Jags, etc companies, if they are building a newly registered 0 miles car they can not call it the original marque. Similar to our NZ made "Beecham" xk's and e type which have a world class reputation are called "Beecham" not Jag.
Sure, its not a road to a quick buck, but as a collectors piece down the track, I'm not sure which would be the most collectible.
I'm pretty sure with the refurbished to new Aston, Jags, etc companies, if they are building a newly registered 0 miles car they can not call it the original marque. Similar to our NZ made "Beecham" xk's and e type which have a world class reputation are called "Beecham" not Jag.
Sure, its not a road to a quick buck, but as a collectors piece down the track, I'm not sure which would be the most collectible.
You would have to pass the same tests as kit cars have to which is an updated version of the SVA test (IVA I think its called these days). This test checks that the car is roadworthy and for such things as interior projections and radii on parts that you as a passenger, or someone outside the car, would hit in the event of an accident.
Not sure how you would be able to register it as a new TVR when there arent any, and someone else holds the rights to the name. S oyou would have to cal it a 'Billy Bob special' or some other name that hasnt already been registered. Once its not called a TVR on the reg document, will you be able to sell it?
The naming game was well reported in the Cobra kit car world. The reason that there is no current Dodge Viper in production is because someone in this country registered the name 'Viper' for his kit car model that he produced. The Dodge is now named as an SRT10 I think.
Not sure how you would be able to register it as a new TVR when there arent any, and someone else holds the rights to the name. S oyou would have to cal it a 'Billy Bob special' or some other name that hasnt already been registered. Once its not called a TVR on the reg document, will you be able to sell it?
The naming game was well reported in the Cobra kit car world. The reason that there is no current Dodge Viper in production is because someone in this country registered the name 'Viper' for his kit car model that he produced. The Dodge is now named as an SRT10 I think.
SonicHedgeHog said:
Would it not make sense to buy a wreck, take the VIN plate off and stick it on your 'new' TVR? It's a proper TVR then. Just like Trigger's broom.
Thats probably the only solution of having a "Blackpool" TVR, however its effectively a rebuild where the miles and associated history baggage remain with the VIN. v8sag said:
SonicHedgeHog said:
Would it not make sense to buy a wreck, take the VIN plate off and stick it on your 'new' TVR? It's a proper TVR then. Just like Trigger's broom.
Thats probably the only solution of having a "Blackpool" TVR, however its effectively a rebuild where the miles and associated history baggage remain with the VIN. v8sag said:
If you had the opportunity to build a new Griff,(well, new unregistered TVR rolling chassis,new body shell, unobtainable parts refurbished)Possibly not RV8 powered, very slight but tastefull cosmetic changes, would you consider this to be a new TVR, a refurbished TVR, or kit car?
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
If you're talking about starting a business building 'new' griffs then you have to consider why people would buy them. I bought mine cause it's massive bang for the buck. Would I pay 35k for a 'new' one today? Probably not. I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
I don't think that the Griff has reached that cult status yet where people are willing to pay good money for esentially an improved authentic copy.
Best bet would be to fully refurbish existing cars to an as new condition....
virgil said:
v8sag said:
If you had the opportunity to build a new Griff,(well, new unregistered TVR rolling chassis,new body shell, unobtainable parts refurbished)Possibly not RV8 powered, very slight but tastefull cosmetic changes, would you consider this to be a new TVR, a refurbished TVR, or kit car?
I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
If you're talking about starting a business building 'new' griffs then you have to consider why people would buy them. I bought mine cause it's massive bang for the buck. Would I pay 35k for a 'new' one today? Probably not. I will add, all non oe parts could be oe retrofitted.
I don't think that the Griff has reached that cult status yet where people are willing to pay good money for esentially an improved authentic copy.
Best bet would be to fully refurbish existing cars to an as new condition....
Many of us may love Griffs but it's not as if we are pushing the market to silly levels and it's not as if they ever will go to silly levels.
Certainly not looking to build in commercial terms. I was generally looking for feed back on how a newly built in all but word "TVR" Griff would be perceived against a rebuilt "Blackpool" TVR. Either way it would retain 95% of its DNA.
I purchased a new one back in 98 and in the not to distance future would like another new, since that is not possible I'm looking at the best avenue to start planning.I know the cars inside out from past rebuilds and being amongst the development of highly developed LS racing Chim, it makes sense to build from this knowledge.
Cost wise, I will on par with what I paid new. We have a strong and passionate motorsport engineering fraternity down under, where bang for buck costs are considerably lower than the UK,Eurozone,etc.
Thanks for the feedback.
I purchased a new one back in 98 and in the not to distance future would like another new, since that is not possible I'm looking at the best avenue to start planning.I know the cars inside out from past rebuilds and being amongst the development of highly developed LS racing Chim, it makes sense to build from this knowledge.
Cost wise, I will on par with what I paid new. We have a strong and passionate motorsport engineering fraternity down under, where bang for buck costs are considerably lower than the UK,Eurozone,etc.
Thanks for the feedback.
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