Anyone know how to drive a sub?
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Did i miss the thread about how the **** do you run aground a £billionish piece of kit. handily stuck there 10 hrs. Less then a quick flight from the 'east' to have dispatched it 
didn't the guy who ran his frigate onto rocks a couple of years ago come back to a demotion ?
And off the subject anyone had a go in a sub ? I had a potter in the yellow tourist ones 15 years ago off Eilat along a coral reef about 60ish metres down. I kept a close eye on the 'pilot' and i still reckon he was way to close to the reef for my liking with the bubble on the front. As i couldn't think of a way to the surface if he nudged it & the water decided to come in
didn't the guy who ran his frigate onto rocks a couple of years ago come back to a demotion ?And off the subject anyone had a go in a sub ? I had a potter in the yellow tourist ones 15 years ago off Eilat along a coral reef about 60ish metres down. I kept a close eye on the 'pilot' and i still reckon he was way to close to the reef for my liking with the bubble on the front. As i couldn't think of a way to the surface if he nudged it & the water decided to come in
No name thread!.I have some inside knowledge of these things, BUT, as there's a proper Ship's Investigation going on, nothing will be released to anyone not directly involved. Therefore my opinion is purely speculative and based on other similar events and from what I know here.
1) Submarines are often inside the Skye channel to conduct boat transfers to get training / technical staff on and off.
2) When they are in the Skye channel, they have an overlay that goes over the chart to provide a clearly defined navigational area in safe water
3) Astute was clearly outside this safe water box.
4) She would have been on the surface at the time, fixing her position by a combination of GPS and triangulation from visual fixes.
5) It was the morning after Trafalgar Night, the biggest celebration in the Navy, with most of the UK's consumption of port occurring between 9 at night and silly o'clock the following morning for NON-WATCHKEEPERs.
6) There will be a courts martial once they've decided who was responsible.
As for escaping from submarines, they have 2-3 hatches (depends on the boat) with a pressurised system to blow out the water, equalise the pressure so that the outer door can open and then release submariner to the surface. You're in a big vinyl multifab suit with an inbuilt life jacket. As the life jacket takes you to the surface, a valve releases air into the hood of the suit to provide you with air to breathe all the way to the surface. It also stops the life jacket exploding as the volume of air expands as the pressure decreases. The standard training escapes were done from 100ft (just recently stopped this sort of training due to £££!) and I think they've successfully trialled it from 145m. If the Russian submariners on the kursk had had this equipment and if they were still alive after the explosion onboard, then they would have been able to escape alive. But they don't.....
Likely outcomes from a courts marial is a severe admonishment / reprimand rather than a dismissal. Possible demotion / loss of seniority therefore affecting pay and pension. What usually happens then depends on the rank and role of the culprit, but they're unlikely to be driving a submarine again. COs who crash their ships / boats often end up being promoted up to a desk job where they can inflict minimal harm on the organisation --> the Dilbert principle.
1) Submarines are often inside the Skye channel to conduct boat transfers to get training / technical staff on and off.
2) When they are in the Skye channel, they have an overlay that goes over the chart to provide a clearly defined navigational area in safe water
3) Astute was clearly outside this safe water box.
4) She would have been on the surface at the time, fixing her position by a combination of GPS and triangulation from visual fixes.
5) It was the morning after Trafalgar Night, the biggest celebration in the Navy, with most of the UK's consumption of port occurring between 9 at night and silly o'clock the following morning for NON-WATCHKEEPERs.
6) There will be a courts martial once they've decided who was responsible.
As for escaping from submarines, they have 2-3 hatches (depends on the boat) with a pressurised system to blow out the water, equalise the pressure so that the outer door can open and then release submariner to the surface. You're in a big vinyl multifab suit with an inbuilt life jacket. As the life jacket takes you to the surface, a valve releases air into the hood of the suit to provide you with air to breathe all the way to the surface. It also stops the life jacket exploding as the volume of air expands as the pressure decreases. The standard training escapes were done from 100ft (just recently stopped this sort of training due to £££!) and I think they've successfully trialled it from 145m. If the Russian submariners on the kursk had had this equipment and if they were still alive after the explosion onboard, then they would have been able to escape alive. But they don't.....
Likely outcomes from a courts marial is a severe admonishment / reprimand rather than a dismissal. Possible demotion / loss of seniority therefore affecting pay and pension. What usually happens then depends on the rank and role of the culprit, but they're unlikely to be driving a submarine again. COs who crash their ships / boats often end up being promoted up to a desk job where they can inflict minimal harm on the organisation --> the Dilbert principle.
"Angles and dangles" Up and downy and lefty and righty is controlled from the SCC - Ships Control Centre. This is populated by Front 
s who are the arch enemy of the Back Afties. Going faster or Slower, or backwards and Forwards is controlled from the MR - Manoeuvring Room - and is populated by a strange collection of oily perverts known as Back Afties.
As the names suggest, the SCC is towards the front, and the MR is towards the back.
Except for the French, where they all love each other, so all live happily together in one big room.
HTH.
s who are the arch enemy of the Back Afties. Going faster or Slower, or backwards and Forwards is controlled from the MR - Manoeuvring Room - and is populated by a strange collection of oily perverts known as Back Afties.As the names suggest, the SCC is towards the front, and the MR is towards the back.
Except for the French, where they all love each other, so all live happily together in one big room.
HTH.
alfa pint said:
I have some inside knowledge of these things, BUT, as there's a proper Ship's Investigation going on, nothing will be released to anyone not directly involved. Therefore my opinion is purely speculative and based on other similar events and from what I know here.
1) Submarines are often inside the Skye channel to conduct boat transfers to get training / technical staff on and off.
2) When they are in the Skye channel, they have an overlay that goes over the chart to provide a clearly defined navigational area in safe water
3) Astute was clearly outside this safe water box.
4) She would have been on the surface at the time, fixing her position by a combination of GPS and triangulation from visual fixes.
5) It was the morning after Trafalgar Night, the biggest celebration in the Navy, with most of the UK's consumption of port occurring between 9 at night and silly o'clock the following morning for NON-WATCHKEEPERs.
6) There will be a courts martial once they've decided who was responsible.
As for escaping from submarines, they have 2-3 hatches (depends on the boat) with a pressurised system to blow out the water, equalise the pressure so that the outer door can open and then release submariner to the surface. You're in a big vinyl multifab suit with an inbuilt life jacket. As the life jacket takes you to the surface, a valve releases air into the hood of the suit to provide you with air to breathe all the way to the surface. It also stops the life jacket exploding as the volume of air expands as the pressure decreases. The standard training escapes were done from 100ft (just recently stopped this sort of training due to £££!) and I think they've successfully trialled it from 145m. If the Russian submariners on the kursk had had this equipment and if they were still alive after the explosion onboard, then they would have been able to escape alive. But they don't.....
Likely outcomes from a courts marial is a severe admonishment / reprimand rather than a dismissal. Possible demotion / loss of seniority therefore affecting pay and pension. What usually happens then depends on the rank and role of the culprit, but they're unlikely to be driving a submarine again. COs who crash their ships / boats often end up being promoted up to a desk job where they can inflict minimal harm on the organisation --> the Dilbert principle.
To be fair, most boats are dry at sea, unless things have changed. 1) Submarines are often inside the Skye channel to conduct boat transfers to get training / technical staff on and off.
2) When they are in the Skye channel, they have an overlay that goes over the chart to provide a clearly defined navigational area in safe water
3) Astute was clearly outside this safe water box.
4) She would have been on the surface at the time, fixing her position by a combination of GPS and triangulation from visual fixes.
5) It was the morning after Trafalgar Night, the biggest celebration in the Navy, with most of the UK's consumption of port occurring between 9 at night and silly o'clock the following morning for NON-WATCHKEEPERs.
6) There will be a courts martial once they've decided who was responsible.
As for escaping from submarines, they have 2-3 hatches (depends on the boat) with a pressurised system to blow out the water, equalise the pressure so that the outer door can open and then release submariner to the surface. You're in a big vinyl multifab suit with an inbuilt life jacket. As the life jacket takes you to the surface, a valve releases air into the hood of the suit to provide you with air to breathe all the way to the surface. It also stops the life jacket exploding as the volume of air expands as the pressure decreases. The standard training escapes were done from 100ft (just recently stopped this sort of training due to £££!) and I think they've successfully trialled it from 145m. If the Russian submariners on the kursk had had this equipment and if they were still alive after the explosion onboard, then they would have been able to escape alive. But they don't.....
Likely outcomes from a courts marial is a severe admonishment / reprimand rather than a dismissal. Possible demotion / loss of seniority therefore affecting pay and pension. What usually happens then depends on the rank and role of the culprit, but they're unlikely to be driving a submarine again. COs who crash their ships / boats often end up being promoted up to a desk job where they can inflict minimal harm on the organisation --> the Dilbert principle.
rhinochopig said:
"Angles and dangles" Up and downy and lefty and righty is controlled from the SCC - Ships Control Centre. This is populated by Front s who are the arch enemy of the Back Afties. Going faster or Slower, or backwards and Forwards is controlled from the MR - Manoeuvring Room - and is populated by a strange collection of oily perverts known as Back Afties.
As the names suggest, the SCC is towards the front, and the MR is towards the back.
Except for the French, where they all love each other, so all live happily together in one big room.
HTH.
on merchant ships there was two departmentss who are the arch enemy of the Back Afties. Going faster or Slower, or backwards and Forwards is controlled from the MR - Manoeuvring Room - and is populated by a strange collection of oily perverts known as Back Afties.As the names suggest, the SCC is towards the front, and the MR is towards the back.
Except for the French, where they all love each other, so all live happily together in one big room.
HTH.
department of going round corners and department of going forwards
Munter said:
Given there's no physical control of the thing.... It could of course have been a systems failure. No amount of "Turn you fecker" would have been much use if the computer had decided it fancied going straight ahead.
All boats and ships have emergency steering systems, and emergency steering drills (especially in the RN) are carried out fairly regularly. I might be biased, but I'm betting it was the 'steer round corners' dept. that fluffed up.Taffer said:
Munter said:
Given there's no physical control of the thing.... It could of course have been a systems failure. No amount of "Turn you fecker" would have been much use if the computer had decided it fancied going straight ahead.
All boats and ships have emergency steering systems, and emergency steering drills (especially in the RN) are carried out fairly regularly. I might be biased, but I'm betting it was the 'steer round corners' dept. that fluffed up.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff