Best turbo brand
Discussion
Now that more cars are coming with turbo, I've been trying to find which turbo maker sells the most turbos and which one has the best technology regarding fuel and power efficiency.
Borgwarner and their KKK turbos
Garrett
Mitsubishi
IHI
Others?
Say for example that you have decided on a car and on the options list you could select between different turbo brands, which one would you select?
Borgwarner and their KKK turbos
Garrett
Mitsubishi
IHI
Others?
Say for example that you have decided on a car and on the options list you could select between different turbo brands, which one would you select?
I looked into this with the intention of buying shares in the biggest and best one about 12-18 months ago. The problem is they are a very small part of very large companies. E.g. Garrett is owned by Honeywell who have a presence in Aerospace and do stuff for the US Gov't.
I think Garrett are probably the biggest but willing to be corrected.
I think Garrett are probably the biggest but willing to be corrected.
As I understand it;
Garrett are the oldest and biggest by quite some way, over 60% of the market.
KKK are second but a lot of what they produce is under license from Garrett I think after they lost a court case about the design of their version of Garrett's GT15 unit, which I think goes onto the 1.9TDi VAG and a few other mid sized diesel units.
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Garrett are the oldest and biggest by quite some way, over 60% of the market.
KKK are second but a lot of what they produce is under license from Garrett I think after they lost a court case about the design of their version of Garrett's GT15 unit, which I think goes onto the 1.9TDi VAG and a few other mid sized diesel units.
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BadgerBill said:
As I understand it;
Garrett are the oldest and biggest by quite some way, over 60% of the market.
KKK are second but a lot of what they produce is under license from Garrett I think after they lost a court case about the design of their version of Garrett's GT15 unit, which I think goes onto the 1.9TDi VAG and a few other mid sized diesel units.
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Good info!Garrett are the oldest and biggest by quite some way, over 60% of the market.
KKK are second but a lot of what they produce is under license from Garrett I think after they lost a court case about the design of their version of Garrett's GT15 unit, which I think goes onto the 1.9TDi VAG and a few other mid sized diesel units.
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From Wikipedia
Main suppliers
Several companies supply the rotating vane type of variable geometry turbocharger, including Garrett (Honeywell), Borg Warner and MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The rotating vane design is mostly limited to small engines and/or to light duty applications (passenger cars, race cars and light commercial vehicles). The only supplier of the sliding vane type of variable geometry turbocharger is Cummins Turbo Technologies (Holset), who are effectively the sole supplier of variable geometry turbochargers for applications involving large engines and heavy duty use (i.e. trucks and off highway applications).
Holset sounds good, if this is true then it's a monopoly.
From what I have read a lot of people while upgrading go the Garrett way, although one user here, Jamiep decided to put on his 1000 hp supra a Borgwarner one.
Main suppliers
Several companies supply the rotating vane type of variable geometry turbocharger, including Garrett (Honeywell), Borg Warner and MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The rotating vane design is mostly limited to small engines and/or to light duty applications (passenger cars, race cars and light commercial vehicles). The only supplier of the sliding vane type of variable geometry turbocharger is Cummins Turbo Technologies (Holset), who are effectively the sole supplier of variable geometry turbochargers for applications involving large engines and heavy duty use (i.e. trucks and off highway applications).
Holset sounds good, if this is true then it's a monopoly.
From what I have read a lot of people while upgrading go the Garrett way, although one user here, Jamiep decided to put on his 1000 hp supra a Borgwarner one.
Teixe said:
From Wikipedia
Main suppliers
Several companies supply the rotating vane type of variable geometry turbocharger, including Garrett (Honeywell), Borg Warner and MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The rotating vane design is mostly limited to small engines and/or to light duty applications (passenger cars, race cars and light commercial vehicles). The only supplier of the sliding vane type of variable geometry turbocharger is Cummins Turbo Technologies (Holset), who are effectively the sole supplier of variable geometry turbochargers for applications involving large engines and heavy duty use (i.e. trucks and off highway applications).
Holset sounds good, if this is true then it's a monopoly.
From what I have read a lot of people while upgrading go the Garrett way, although one user here, Jamiep decided to put on his 1000 hp supra a Borgwarner one.
Every time I see Borgwarner I think BogWarmer, and I think about Roald Dahl's book 'Boy' in which he has to go and warm the toilet seats on behalf of the prefects...Main suppliers
Several companies supply the rotating vane type of variable geometry turbocharger, including Garrett (Honeywell), Borg Warner and MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The rotating vane design is mostly limited to small engines and/or to light duty applications (passenger cars, race cars and light commercial vehicles). The only supplier of the sliding vane type of variable geometry turbocharger is Cummins Turbo Technologies (Holset), who are effectively the sole supplier of variable geometry turbochargers for applications involving large engines and heavy duty use (i.e. trucks and off highway applications).
Holset sounds good, if this is true then it's a monopoly.
From what I have read a lot of people while upgrading go the Garrett way, although one user here, Jamiep decided to put on his 1000 hp supra a Borgwarner one.
re: the Holset sliding vane turbo monopoly... It would be like having a monopoly of the ivory cane top market. I can't believe that there is a massive requirement.
Sliding vane turbos and their complexity would simply not be worth the effort for the motor package flexibility.
For what it is worth, I'm sure that renault still had sliding vane units for the passenger car diesels in the early noughties, not so sure about now though.
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Sliding vane turbos and their complexity would simply not be worth the effort for the motor package flexibility.
For what it is worth, I'm sure that renault still had sliding vane units for the passenger car diesels in the early noughties, not so sure about now though.
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Cummins, just because its local to me:P
edit: bigger than i thought actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins
edit: bigger than i thought actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins
Edited by Efbe on Thursday 28th October 23:10
rottie102 said:
rigga said:
Huge friggin Holset ones on the dmu's at work ..... wonder if it will fit on the car ? 
Holsets are used very often for upgrades and turbo conversions on cars.ie Evo VI:
Edited by rottie102 on Thursday 28th October 23:22
Can I throw people like Tial and Precision Turbos into the mix? Their stuff is all Garrett/Borg-Warner based but utilises different compressor wheels and the suchlike, and tend to be more responsive/generate a bit more power than their base equivalents.
ManOpener said:
They're favored for drag cars and ghetto turbo kits because they're cheap, easily obtainable second hand and freaking massive. Not exactly the word in refinement or responsiveness though as many of them are built for engines 8L+.
Can I throw people like Tial and Precision Turbos into the mix? Their stuff is all Garrett/Borg-Warner based but utilises different compressor wheels and the suchlike, and tend to be more responsive/generate a bit more power than their base equivalents.
Sure, but if Tial and PT is based on other manufacturers they could be more expensive. Is there any car maker that use them as OEM parts at the moment?Can I throw people like Tial and Precision Turbos into the mix? Their stuff is all Garrett/Borg-Warner based but utilises different compressor wheels and the suchlike, and tend to be more responsive/generate a bit more power than their base equivalents.
Teixe said:
ManOpener said:
They're favored for drag cars and ghetto turbo kits because they're cheap, easily obtainable second hand and freaking massive. Not exactly the word in refinement or responsiveness though as many of them are built for engines 8L+.
Can I throw people like Tial and Precision Turbos into the mix? Their stuff is all Garrett/Borg-Warner based but utilises different compressor wheels and the suchlike, and tend to be more responsive/generate a bit more power than their base equivalents.
Sure, but if Tial and PT is based on other manufacturers they could be more expensive. Is there any car maker that use them as OEM parts at the moment?Can I throw people like Tial and Precision Turbos into the mix? Their stuff is all Garrett/Borg-Warner based but utilises different compressor wheels and the suchlike, and tend to be more responsive/generate a bit more power than their base equivalents.
Also, KKK and Borg-Warner are the same company aren't they?
Edited by ManOpener on Friday 29th October 13:35
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