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New cars ? Change of combos ? Are we going to see any Turbo cars ? The Ellis/I.C.E deal looks great ! The Superbird is at ICE and the work has started, The important parts Precision 91 mm turbos and hogan manifold are on their way,
new NRE cylinder heads are also about to be shipped This will be the first turbo car to use these heads ever,
We will not go to europe at all next year, the change of date of the summer nats means finland is impossible and so is tierp if it happens so we will stay here and run the car and test at every oppotunity
The cuda will have adrl style light weight panels being made at Jeffers pro cars right now,
we will fit our brand new unused motor with the billet blower (which is away for more updates) and go racing try to have some fun as this year was no fun at all,
Rob and Nick will do what they have to do and im sure you will see the flame spitting badass superbird become one of the most talked about cars in European pro mod,
new NRE cylinder heads are also about to be shipped This will be the first turbo car to use these heads ever,
We will not go to europe at all next year, the change of date of the summer nats means finland is impossible and so is tierp if it happens so we will stay here and run the car and test at every oppotunity
The cuda will have adrl style light weight panels being made at Jeffers pro cars right now,
we will fit our brand new unused motor with the billet blower (which is away for more updates) and go racing try to have some fun as this year was no fun at all,
Rob and Nick will do what they have to do and im sure you will see the flame spitting badass superbird become one of the most talked about cars in European pro mod,
Edited by wicked fish on Wednesday 3rd November 14:18
lot of rule changes coming our way for the 2011 season
sfi tagged balistic daipers, sfi tagged prop shafts (that means you cant use a chassis shop fabbed one)
no carbon floors forward of the wheel tubs, funny car style roll cage padding system,
9.4 inch can allowed (so you can fit that 4 disc clutch) engine undertrays as well as diaper,
ignition cut out opperated by presure from the fire bottles,
helmet eject system
just to keep us on our toes
sfi tagged balistic daipers, sfi tagged prop shafts (that means you cant use a chassis shop fabbed one)
no carbon floors forward of the wheel tubs, funny car style roll cage padding system,
9.4 inch can allowed (so you can fit that 4 disc clutch) engine undertrays as well as diaper,
ignition cut out opperated by presure from the fire bottles,
helmet eject system
just to keep us on our toes
Edited by wicked fish on Saturday 27th November 18:28
wicked fish said:
lot of rule changes coming our way for the 2011 season
sfi tagged balistic daipers, sfi tagged prop shafts (that means you cant use a chassis shop fabbed one)
no carbon floors forward of the wheel tubs, funny car style role cage padding system,
9.4 inch can allowed (so you can fit that 4 disc clutch) engine undertrays as well as diaper,
ignition cut out opperated by presure from the fire bottles,
helmet eject system
just to keep us on our toes
Yep,seen all that and Jon has it all covered for us. sfi tagged balistic daipers, sfi tagged prop shafts (that means you cant use a chassis shop fabbed one)
no carbon floors forward of the wheel tubs, funny car style role cage padding system,
9.4 inch can allowed (so you can fit that 4 disc clutch) engine undertrays as well as diaper,
ignition cut out opperated by presure from the fire bottles,
helmet eject system
just to keep us on our toes
Edited by wicked fish on Saturday 27th November 18:20
some of that stuff is a drumming up business exercise. Particularly the funny car padding and propshaft. You can't tell me that suddenly someone in Europe can't weld a propshaft to SFI spec,or that we can't make the roll cage padding here?
To be honest the padding and it's position in the car on a doorslammer is dangerous. There is no sideward vision out of the drivers window. It's mabye ok for a funny car or dragster,but a doorslammer is a completely different driving position.
I wish we wouldn't just blindly (pun intended) follow rules that are not thought out properly.
we have never spilt oil with out current lower restraint system alky cars do not spit crankshafts out,
we have rodded a few motors and always contained everything why change what isnt broken,
as for the sfi prop that gives you one choice MW and their props are bigger tube than the strange weld up stuff,
the fire bottle stuff is stupid just a sigh of the nhra making sure you buy stuff from its sponsors i bet electricmotion make the cut outs,
the padding would be impossible in the superbird,
did you hear about the almost disastarous fire freddy had at hockenheim window net shrunk from the heat and tightend up like a drum skin he couldnt get it down for some minutes whist the car was blazing, some of this s
t needs looking at seriously befour someone does die,
we have rodded a few motors and always contained everything why change what isnt broken,
as for the sfi prop that gives you one choice MW and their props are bigger tube than the strange weld up stuff,
the fire bottle stuff is stupid just a sigh of the nhra making sure you buy stuff from its sponsors i bet electricmotion make the cut outs,
the padding would be impossible in the superbird,
did you hear about the almost disastarous fire freddy had at hockenheim window net shrunk from the heat and tightend up like a drum skin he couldnt get it down for some minutes whist the car was blazing, some of this s
t needs looking at seriously befour someone does die,wicked fish said:
we have never spilt oil with out current lower restraint system alky cars do not spit crankshafts out,
we have rodded a few motors and always contained everything why change what isnt broken,
as for the sfi prop that gives you one choice MW and their props are bigger tube than the strange weld up stuff,
the fire bottle stuff is stupid just a sigh of the nhra making sure you buy stuff from its sponsors i bet electricmotion make the cut outs,
the padding would be impossible in the superbird,
did you hear about the almost disastarous fire freddy had at hockenheim window net shrunk from the heat and tightend up like a drum skin he couldnt get it down for some minutes whist the car was blazing, some of this st needs looking at seriously befour someone does die,
You can get the prop from Strange too. There's is 3.5" tube with the 1480 style.we have rodded a few motors and always contained everything why change what isnt broken,
as for the sfi prop that gives you one choice MW and their props are bigger tube than the strange weld up stuff,
the fire bottle stuff is stupid just a sigh of the nhra making sure you buy stuff from its sponsors i bet electricmotion make the cut outs,
the padding would be impossible in the superbird,
did you hear about the almost disastarous fire freddy had at hockenheim window net shrunk from the heat and tightend up like a drum skin he couldnt get it down for some minutes whist the car was blazing, some of this s
t needs looking at seriously befour someone does die,The cut out can be self made as long as they work. it's a pretty simple deal to be fair.
I'd imagine the bird is even worse than mine for that padding.
I heard about the freddie deal.That could have got really nasty.Now to me that is a situation that needs looking at. Real world experiences's,not fantasy ones.
No way anyone has looked at that padding deal in a doorslammer,because anyone with sense would say that isn't workable.
Have you priced them yet? You're in for a surprise if you haven't..
Edited by redvictor on Saturday 27th November 18:45
I heard the uk tech guys were lookin at the prop and daiper rules as they realize there isnt a problem with the current rules so im holding fire on this stuff problem is the tunnel in the cuda is built for a 3" tube prop, this car run records with a 3 inch prop tube with zero problems, and after the fiasco with the wheels im not going to jump to do anything, we should have our own rules as far as commom sence allows,
americans are not renown for common sence
americans are not renown for common sence
This is getting ridiculous now, fair play to the tech crew though for not just blindly agreeing to everything. Why adjust or create new regulations for things that aren't causing problems?! Turning off the track from the right lane will be interesting when you can't see out of the window!
wicked fish said:
I heard the uk tech guys were lookin at the prop and daiper rules as they realize there isnt a problem with the current rules so im holding fire on this stuff problem is the tunnel in the cuda is built for a 3" tube prop, this car run records with a 3 inch prop tube with zero problems, and after the fiasco with the wheels im not going to jump to do anything, we should have our own rules as far as commom sence allows,
americans are not renown for common sence
I here ya.I was going to a 1480 prop anyway wether it was in the rules or not. I bought all my stuff in pieces then guess what.Lucky i could send some of it back as it hadn't left yet. There has been a couple of prop breakages in the USA but i haven't seen a reason for the breakage? How many runs,what material,what type of welding etc. If there is a rule change it would be nice to be informed of why and what reason they are changing it. americans are not renown for common sence
Iam holding back at the minute too , I NEVER question safety , but when was the last time a prop let go? We kicked a rod at the Euros and not a single drop of oil on the track...........I too dont understand why we blindly follow some rules and regulations.
When wearing the neck device , I doubt that not being able to see out of the side window is an issue anyway ?
Sureley some consultation with drivers would be a good idea first ? We dont have much of a budget at all , adding lots of stuff like this could make us have to sit some events out.
Iam not moaning guys , just being relaistic with my views and feedback.
When wearing the neck device , I doubt that not being able to see out of the side window is an issue anyway ?
Sureley some consultation with drivers would be a good idea first ? We dont have much of a budget at all , adding lots of stuff like this could make us have to sit some events out.
Iam not moaning guys , just being relaistic with my views and feedback.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Turning off the track from the right lane will be interesting when you can't see out of the window!
Yep.You have to look round to see if your opponent is behind you and you don't just drive into him. With that padding it will be impossible. With the Hans at least you can move your eyes round.The padding completely obscures your vision to the left.I understand why the padding is used,and it's a good idea in principle. But why wasn't someone who drives the cars consulted on what would be the best way to proceed.
To me it's like we don't really come into the equation when it comes to rules.
Is there a pro mod drivers rep in the FIA? If there is could he not voice his concernes over rules that don't seem to be well thought out?
To anyone reading this don't think i'm against safety. On the contrary,i'm all for it,but it's safety with sense i'm a believer in.
Take the helmet eject system.Great idea in principle... So the driver is unconscious in the car and he needs his helmet taken off.Use the helmet eject system..but wait,what if he has a fractured skull? What happens then when you use air pressure between the helmet and his skull? Another rule that hasn't really been thought about IMO..
Edited by redvictor on Sunday 28th November 15:31
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