License plates - question for BiB
License plates - question for BiB
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GreigM

Original Poster:

6,740 posts

271 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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If any of the BiB out there could advise I would be most grateful.

I have bought a car bra for track days - to try and avoid some of the stone chips (those ugly-looking leather nose-covers for cars).

Before you all start I know it's ugly - it's just for track days to stop me worrying about the immense number of stone chips I'm receiving.

Anyway - to the question: The bra is american made, where they have smaller front number-plates, therefore it covers a part of the actual plate here in the UK. Fortunately I have a private plate and all the numbers/letters can be seen through the opening, but only just, and the whitespace at either side of the plate is covered. Would I be stopped/ticketed for this? Does the full width of the plate have to be visible, even if there is nothing on it?

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

266 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Technically you could be in bother. Why :-

Regulation 6, R Vehicles Display of Reg Marks Regs 2001

(2) ...a registration plate must be fixed on the front of the vehicle in the manner required by paragraph (3).
(3) This paragraph requires the plate to be fixed -
(a) vertically or, where that is not reasonably practicable, in a position as close to the vertical as is reasonably practicable,

and - it is here you seem to fall foul:

(b) in such a position that in normal daylight the characters of the registration mark are easily distinguishable from every part of a relevant area having the diagonal length specified in paragraph (4).
(4) The diagonal length of the relevant area is -
(a) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is at least 57 millimetres, 22 metres,
(b) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is 50 millimetres, 21.5 metres,

(c) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is 44 millimetres, 18 metres

Regulation 11

(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.

Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 S 43

If Reg Mark fitted on a vehicle in any way is
(a) obscured,or
(b) rendered, or allowed to become, not easily distinguishable.........offence.

As to what action BiB would take is in the lap of the Gods but I would suspect if the infringement other than blatant probably only a word in the shell like.

DVD

GreigM

Original Poster:

6,740 posts

271 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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That's what I expected - possibly "bending" the rules a fair bit - but would a polite explanation that I'm on my way to a track and it's just temporary get me off?

andygo

7,261 posts

277 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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I wouldn't worry too much. There are countless thousands of cars and 4x4's out there with obviously long standing number plates obscured by tow bars.

They have clearly not been pulled in a million years, so why worry.

jay-aim

598 posts

263 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Well fancy meeting you here Greig.....

>> Edited by jay-aim on Sunday 11th April 18:23

destroyer

256 posts

262 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Fit it on when you get to the track.

GreigM

Original Poster:

6,740 posts

271 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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I'm everywhere at once Jay-Aim - omnipresent!

Can't fit it on at trackday in mind as I simply don't have time - got to go there straight from work, and fitting the bra would cost track time.

gopher

5,160 posts

281 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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could you Velcro another plate on the bib, would that work? - take it off before going on the track of course.

cheers

Paul

jay-aim

598 posts

263 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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GreigM said:
I'm everywhere at once Jay-Aim - omnipresent!


That's if you give enough hair notice.....


mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

277 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Dwight VanDriver said:

(b) in such a position that in normal daylight the characters of the registration mark are easily distinguishable from every part of a relevant area having the diagonal length specified in paragraph (4).
(4) The diagonal length of the relevant area is -
(a) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is at least 57 millimetres, 22 metres.......etc



What the hell is that all about, then?

We have to be able to see characters within an area having a diagonal length of 22 metres

Anybody suggest what might be in such an expanse of space that would render recognition difficult?

And is the diagonal within a square or rectangular area, please? On a road/in the woods/in a field/in Brunstrom's kitchen......?

Or is this alcohol haze confusing me...........?

>> Edited by mybrainhurts on Sunday 11th April 21:54

Errr.......licenCe, too, as well...

>> Edited by mybrainhurts on Sunday 11th April 21:56

streaky

19,311 posts

271 months

Monday 12th April 2004
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mybrainhurts said:
And is the diagonal within a square or rectangular area, please? On a road/in the woods/in a field/in Brunstrom's kitchen......?
Er, I think it's within "a relevant area". Hope this helps - Streaky

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

277 months

Wednesday 14th April 2004
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streaky said:

mybrainhurts said:
And is the diagonal within a square or rectangular area, please? On a road/in the woods/in a field/in Brunstrom's kitchen......?

Er, I think it's within "a relevant area". Hope this helps - Streaky


Damn, yes...obvious when you think about it........