Which new 3 series saloon?
Which new 3 series saloon?
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edc

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9,667 posts

281 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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New company car time and I have narrowed it down to 318d M Sport (or SE) or 320ed.

I will do approx 90k miles over 3 years with plenty of M-way work along the M4.

I have maybe £800 budget for extras but nothing if I go for the M Sport.

Which would you go for?

playerone

872 posts

240 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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Have you looked at the SE Exclusive Edition or Sport Plus they are offering? Will get you a good spec for not much more than the base model.

edc

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281 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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No option for the special editions unfortunately, although for £600 they look decent value.

If a remap was on the options list then I'd probably get the 318d with that biggrin

Matt UK

18,084 posts

230 months

Monday 8th November 2010
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Without doubt I'd go for the 320ed plus the options over a 318d Sport with no options

parapaul

2,828 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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If you're doing mostly motorway miles, go for the SE and use the £800 for some nice options.

edc

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281 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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Does anybody know how much lower or stiffer the M Sport suspension actually is?

I went to a local dealer but couldn't see any like for like cars as all the M Sports had 18" wheels.

Tea Pot One

1,870 posts

258 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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I have a 320d M sport ... and have driven a 325d SE. I don't find the difference very noticeable at all TBH. A bit more feedback from the runflats but not at all crashy. I think the M sport suspension is fine .... especially as I was a bit bothered by some of the things I read on forums about how firm it is .... which I do not find to be the case.

320Ed for me by the way ... super engine for a diesel smile

daemon

40,169 posts

227 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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I'd have the 318d M Sport. Much better styling and much better standard seats.

McSwerve II

325 posts

229 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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I collect a 320Ed on Thursday so I'll tell you then.

For me (this time round) I've gone for the sensible option re: Company Car Tax.

109 CO2's and 0-60 in 8 Seconds seems too good to be true.

Although it does use the fuel of the devil.

BOR

5,149 posts

285 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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I would go for M-Sport by a large margin. Transforms the car, imho.

b9boy

287 posts

219 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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M Sports look great although soooooooo much of a cliche!

Decision, IMO, is all about the suspension. The M Sport suspension is very hard (for my taste) which makes motorway work tiring. Drive both and make your own mind up though. Eye of the beholder and all that.

edc

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Tuesday 9th November 2010
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Spec wise there's not much to differentiate, engine aside, 16" wheels on 320ed make it look a little odd vs 17" wheels and Sport suspension and seats on the M Sport. Having driven neither yet the 320ed has a detuned normal 320 engine so power wise there is not that much in it either. Also, £800 on extras gets me next to nothing lol. BIK tax wise they are nigh on identical. I'll see if I can have a play this weekend.

b9boy

287 posts

219 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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Visually they differ quite a lot. Bumpers aredifferent front and back, wheels, suspension (although Ed is lowered, sports seats, different seat material, trim strips, different steering wheel etc etc.

As I say try the suspension out first though.

As an aside I wager in the real world a 320ed wont do anything like the 69MPG BMW claim.In a controlled enviornment maybe but like Toyotas Prius I imagine reality will fall short of that claim.

edc

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Tuesday 9th November 2010
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Personally I don't care for the possible extra mpg that the ed may get. If I average 45mpg that's fine. I prefer the look of the M Sport which for vanity reasons is reasonably important as I won't be able to change out for a while.

b9boy

287 posts

219 months

Tuesday 9th November 2010
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Got 318d M Sport written all over it this smile

£800 doesnt touch the sides in BMW optionland.


daemon

40,169 posts

227 months

Wednesday 10th November 2010
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b9boy said:
Visually they differ quite a lot. Bumpers aredifferent front and back, wheels, suspension (although Ed is lowered, sports seats, different seat material, trim strips, different steering wheel etc etc.

As I say try the suspension out first though.

As an aside I wager in the real world a 320ed wont do anything like the 69MPG BMW claim.In a controlled enviornment maybe but like Toyotas Prius I imagine reality will fall short of that claim.
I'd a 2.0 TDI Bluemotion Passat and it averaged an easy 62-65mpg consistently over each tank, so i'd say (with non town driving) 69mpg is viable.

BUT i'd still have the 318d M Sport

Edited by daemon on Wednesday 10th November 09:04

edc

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Friday 12th November 2010
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McSwerve II said:
I collect a 320Ed on Thursday so I'll tell you then.

For me (this time round) I've gone for the sensible option re: Company Car Tax.

109 CO2's and 0-60 in 8 Seconds seems too good to be true.

Although it does use the fuel of the devil.
Any initial impressions?

McSwerve II

325 posts

229 months

Friday 12th November 2010
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Well, collected it from BWM High Wycombe (fabulous looking receptionist) and drove down to Bristol for a meeting and then back to Bedfordshire, in atrocious weather conditions.

Impressions.

I’ve only had one diesel car before, a brand new but utterly crap in everyway, Ford Escort circa 1996 vintage. It was so poor I’ve done everything in my power to avoid any oil burners since.

However, the engine seems really good with a good dollop of torque, and a reasonably wide power band.

The ride is way better than the M Sport 1 Series I’ve crashed around in for the last 4 years. I guess that’s due to the non run flat tyres and 16” wheels. I suspect the 3 Series M Sport isn’t as bad as the 1 Series was, but I haven’t driven it myself.

Grip wise, it’s a bit early to tell, but the Traction light was flashing a bit when under power, but that was probably due to the conditions and the tyres not being scrubbed in. But they are narrow super eco tyres, so won’t be great compared with the M Sport.

The interior does feel a bit dull, coming from an M Sport spec, seats especially.

Looks, subjective but the ED is a bit lower than the boggo 3 (not sure about the M Sport) and looks good in the metal.

I got 53 mpg (with the ‘change gear light’ flashing all the way), using the M4 there, then coming off at Swindon and going cross country on the way back (due to an accident), and that was ‘testing the thrust’, when condition and traffic allowed.

I’ve got a company fuel card so it doesn’t matter, but if you were on an eco run I bet you’d get 70 mpg.

So I guess it’s
ED - Quicker in a straight line / Tax Efficient / Better MPG / Possibly better ride comfort
318 M Sport – Better interior / Grip & Handling will be better / Body Kit



edc

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Friday 12th November 2010
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Thanks. I suspect the longer wheel base over the 1-er helps too. I'm coming from an Audi A3.

Does it look under-wheeled on the 16" wheels? Or does the lower suspension help?

McSwerve II

325 posts

229 months

Friday 12th November 2010
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I think it looks fine, but I'm not a fan of big wheels anyway.

Comming from an Audi, I suspect that you'll find the build quality isn't quite as good.

I had an A4 before the 1 Series, and thought it was nailed togeather very well indeed.