Reflections on the 2010 Season
Reflections on the 2010 Season
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heebeegeetee

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30,132 posts

277 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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Right, I thought it might be a good idea to put the various thoughts on the season into the one thread, to save hijacking the Abu Dhabi GP thread and/or others. A thread like this should be started by a clever and lengthy resume of the season, but I don't have time. Or the smarts biggrin

But I'll start by saying that I'm not sure how I feel after what has been a golden year. With a season being the length that it is now, (and is going to get longer), I'm not sure that the season has produced a 'story'. With this many races, whatever story might have been evolving at the start or at midpoint of the season gets lost because there is the time there to change everything around. Having said that I guess it can be said that the RB6 was the class of the field from beginning to end, but boy, haven't the team make hard work of it? Maybe that is the story.

Also though, I'm feeling a bit bemused at how no one team or driver has managed to get a firm grip on the year, and no-one fully deserving of the title has emergered imo. All drivers have made too many mistakes - perhaps that is indeed a function of a long season - but I really am feeling perplexed that a driver who hasn't led the title at all throughout the year crosses the line at the final flag of the year, takes the lead for the very first time after 18 races, and is crowned champion and thus is 'The Best Driver'. It sort of makes me feel why bother having 18 races.

And don't worry, I would indeed be saying the same if Hamilton had won the title. Had the other 3 drivers all taken each other out yesterday and Hamilton had picked it up that way, I'd still feel that he should have sealed the deal pretty much before the final race oif the year.

I did once read Steve Soper saying "if you haven't sealed the championship before the final race then it can only be because of mistakes you've made through the year". That statement has stuck in my mind because I find it intrigueing, and I'm not sure I totally agree, but perhaps this season is the proof.

Nick M

3,632 posts

252 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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heebeegeetee said:
Right, I thought it might be a good idea to put the various thoughts on the season into the one thread. A thread like this should be started by a clever and lengthy resume of the season, but I don't have time. Or the smarts biggrin
Oh I don't know - I think you hit the nail squarely on the head with your summary, because it's pretty much exactly how I was left feeling at the end of yesterday's race.

I still don't think we've seen enough racing at the head of the field and I'm not convinced more races is a good thing in that it gives more room for error, something which all of the top 4 or 5 drivers have been prone to this year - with less races their errors would have been more heavily punished.

Get Karter

1,950 posts

230 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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I think the last race was the perfect bookend to a great season.
Because it was as dull as the first race.
If it hadn't been a title decider, it would have been a bore.


As for the worthiness of the champion, I think SV was the most deserving over the course of the season. I always felt MW was holding on by the skin of his teeth to try to match SV's pace, and that the McLaren and Ferrari weren't competitive enough at enough circuits to allow their guys to challenge the Red Bull.

I am a neutral fan though, unlike many on here.

IainT

10,040 posts

267 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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heebeegeetee said:
I did once read Steve Soper saying "if you haven't sealed the championship before the final race then it can only be because of mistakes you've made through the year". That statement has stuck in my mind because I find it intrigueing, and I'm not sure I totally agree, but perhaps this season is the proof.
The driver I least wanted to win teh WDC actually won. Saying that it was certainly a worthy victory and the quote above only highlights RBR's failures and misfortune this season.

The really should have had this sewn up some time ago but I'm glad it came down to teh last race - it certainly needed something to spice it up.

RBR have had the package to dominate at all but a few races with Ferarri and McLaren vieing for the 2nd spot most of the way. Of them, Ferarri seem to have had the pace but Massa's woeful form for mosty of the season gave McLaren 2nd in the Contsructors.

Probably the best season I can recall with all the good elements - recing, technical development, inter-team politics, little or no FIA manipulation.


Next season with KERS and randomly failing rear wings should be pretty exciting!

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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Despite Vettel's antics during the year being somewhat irritating, he certainly is a worthy champion. He was far more humble in victory than I expected and, for pure pace, he is in the top three or four on the grid.

To be honest, Hamilton, Webber or Vettel would all very much have deserved the title.

The year has had it's moments but for pure on-track action, the cars / tracks are too sanitised. I'm certainly not an advocate of the vast concrete run-offs where the drivers aren't penalised.

We were also fortunate for Weather, Hamilton and Kayobashi. All of which contributed to more than their fair share of track moments.

DuncanM

7,452 posts

308 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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It was a great season due to some outstanding races and racing throughout the year and, throughout the entire field smile.

Best car by a mile was the Red Bull so I'm glad they won the constructors as it was well deserved for the Team.

Best driver is a much tougher one. For me it is between Alonso and Hamilton for outperforming their cars and making the championship a much more interesting prospect than it could have (should have?) been.

I also think that Button has driven superbly this year, if he can sort out his Saturday pace then next year will be even better for him.

Both Red Bull drivers have been very good of course, but with a frustrating crashy nature when chasing rather than leading which makes me just not like/rate them as much as I maybe should.

Rosberg has been very good this year, and a nod to Schumacher who finished the year very well and, apart from the Barrichello incident conducted himself very well imo, looking forward to what these two do next year.

A special mention for Kubica and Kobayashi for consistent raciness! They’ve been great to watch this year at times smile.

Last but not least, the BBC coverage is, I think, worth the license fee alone,. Absolutely brilliant!

Duncan



luke111s

847 posts

217 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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DuncanM said:
A special mention for Kubica and Kobayashi for consistent raciness! They’ve been great to watch this year at times smile.
yes

Great to see these two, as well as Hamilton, helping to make the on track racing exciting. I would guess that these three drivers overtook more this year than the rest of the field put together.

Kobayashi - really exciting driver, I was very impressed with how clean many of his overtakes were towards the end of the season. Out of control, yet in control!

Kubica - reminded me of Alonso when in a less than perfect Renault, I was more impressed with him this year than in the BMW years. I really hope the Renault is right up there with Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari next year.

DuncanM said:
Last but not least, the BBC coverage is, I think, worth the license fee alone,. Absolutely brilliant!
Fantastic coverage from the BBC, I really enjoyed the discussions post race and on the forum. I could easily switch off ITV as soon as the race finished (or after the post race interview... if they showed it!)

KaraK

13,785 posts

238 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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I was thinking about this yesterday and chatting it out with Sonic, no one driver this year really strung a good season together IMHO. But here would be my quick armchair end-of-year report:

Vettel:

The Red Bulls had a massive, massive car advantage all season long and yet spent most of the year shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity, a good chunk of that falls at Seb's feet, lack of mechanical sympathy and a severe amount of clumsiness around other cars meant he made very hard work of the WDC. You can't help but feel if it had been Lewis, Jenson, Fernando or even Michael Schumacher in that car it would have been all over ages ago and we'd now be talking about a boring season.

Webber:

Mark's impressed me over the last couple of years, He seems to have cut down on the whinging and I felt he has really improved his driving. He still seems to be very hot and cold based on his mental state though, compare Silverstone when he was properly fired up and almost on another planet to Abu Dhabi where he got it wrong in quali and then his head went down and to be frank he spent the rest of the weekend looking like, well, a number two driver. Ultimately I don't think he's got what it takes to step up to the next level frown


Alonso:

Having spent much of the first half of the season looking like a rookie, he then made an epic recovery in the second half only for Ferrari to drop the ball at the last minute - admittedly in an easy to understand way. I still don't like Alonso, I think he is an arrogant cry baby who cheats far too often but holy cow the 'brow can drive!

Massa:

I didn't exepect much from him this year after the accident and unfortunately I've been proven right frown


Hamilton:

Lewis out-performed the car for a good chunk of the year but had a couple of crucial brainfade moments at key times. Overall I think he did very well to be in it untill the very end, had he won it at the end if would have been steal of the century!

Button:

Jenson was on the whole first class on a Sunday afternoon but seems to have completely forgotton how to qualify. The races in Brazil and Abu Dahabi showed some real class. Like Lewis he out-performed the car and if next years jalopy is more on the money then I think he'll have a barnstormer.


Nick M

3,632 posts

252 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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Bedazzled said:
The negatives: I think banning refueling has made the strategy side of things less interesting, and forcing teams to use a non-optimal tyre for part of the race doesn't add much IMHO. I'd like to see them ban aero appendages and dorsal fins, limit the front/rear wings to a single plane and get rid of the plank (the piece of wood under the car, not EJ). Brink back F1 cars with fat tyres, wider track, smaller wings and weaker brakes drifting through corners like the good old days.
I was thinking during the race about all the changes for next year, and it occurred to me that maybe all the 'tweaks' to F1 should just be dropped.

So, in no particular order:

- no KERS - its green 'credentials' are questionable given it's for performance enhancement rather than as part of the overall energy available to a car / driver for a race. Limit fuel and supplement it with KERS to get you to the finish, but don't use it as a 'push to pass' and claim it's green.

- moveable wings (front or rear) - ditch them, because the adjustable front wing has been used to balance the car not as a passing aid, and the adjustable rear wing will probably just end up have an overall net effect of zero on the racing.

- tyres - forget the requirement to use both compounds - if teams want to run the distance on one set as part of their 'strategy' then do that. If another team wants to burn through two sets of softs because they think it's quicker, then let them. About the only requirement I would leave is that the top 10 start on the tyres they qualified on, the only reason being that it may generate a bit of uncertainty in terms of the strategy teams have to adopt.

- aero 'bits' - junk the silly little aero add-ons around the front of the side-pods (they look silly for one) and ban blown diffusers (an expensive area of development). Adopt Gary Anderson's suggestion of homologated bodywork - you can homologate a number of aero configurations (3 for starters) but once you've done that you're only allowed a limited number of updates during the season. Would help to keep costs down and avoid any debate about whether something is legal or not - if it doesn't make it through the homologation process then it's not going to appear on the car at the first race of the season...

- the only other thought I had, and I've no idea how often they replace them, was in connection with brakes. Set a requirement to use the same set of discs and pads for an entire race weekend. Might make them more durable at the expense of a bit of braking performance. But that's only on the basis that they're not already managing to do that anyway.


IainT

10,040 posts

267 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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Nick M said:
- tyres - forget the requirement to use both compounds - if teams want to run the distance on one set as part of their 'strategy' then do that. If another team wants to burn through two sets of softs because they think it's quicker, then let them. About the only requirement I would leave is that the top 10 start on the tyres they qualified on, the only reason being that it may generate a bit of uncertainty in terms of the strategy teams have to adopt.
In my ideal view there would be a greater difference int eh capabilities of the tyres.

The Option tyre should, in my view, be very significantly faster than the Prime but last significantly less time. If the soft tyre was much more of a qualifying tyre but laster 10-15 laps giving 1-1.5 or so seconds advantage we would see some variation on strategy.

It would be very very hard to engineer the tyres to that accurate a spec though.


On the other tech options - I'm looking forwards to KERS and rear wings mainly because it will increase the overtaking opportunities.

KaraK

13,785 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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IainT said:
Nick M said:
- tyres - forget the requirement to use both compounds - if teams want to run the distance on one set as part of their 'strategy' then do that. If another team wants to burn through two sets of softs because they think it's quicker, then let them. About the only requirement I would leave is that the top 10 start on the tyres they qualified on, the only reason being that it may generate a bit of uncertainty in terms of the strategy teams have to adopt.
In my ideal view there would be a greater difference int eh capabilities of the tyres.

The Option tyre should, in my view, be very significantly faster than the Prime but last significantly less time. If the soft tyre was much more of a qualifying tyre but laster 10-15 laps giving 1-1.5 or so seconds advantage we would see some variation on strategy.

It would be very very hard to engineer the tyres to that accurate a spec though.


On the other tech options - I'm looking forwards to KERS and rear wings mainly because it will increase the overtaking opportunities.
regading the tires I think that's kind of what they were going for this year, it didn't always pan out that way though. A telling thing for me is that the BBC reported that Bridgstone suggested the super-softs would only do 20 laps max in Abu Dhabi - Button managed what, 35?

tim-b

1,279 posts

239 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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KaraK said:

Vettel:

The Red Bulls had a massive, massive car advantage all season long and yet spent most of the year shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity, a good chunk of that falls at Seb's feet, lack of mechanical sympathy and a severe amount of clumsiness around other cars meant he made very hard work of the WDC. You can't help but feel if it had been Lewis, Jenson, Fernando or even Michael Schumacher in that car it would have been all over ages ago and we'd now be talking about a boring season.
Seriously? The Brawn advantage last year was greater than the RB advantage this year IMHO, when JB only stitched up the championship 1 race from the end after bumbling his way through the 2nd half of the season.

mattikake

5,116 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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Nice thread idea.

It was a unprecented season all-in-all especially after how Bahrain went!

Best and most exciting race of the season was Canada by a mile for me. It was really hard to see how that one was going pan out even to the last 10 laps or so. The tyre situation worked a treat there. The wet races are always good and Turkey was a good one as well, despite the lack of overtakes and driver charges.

Loads of different winners. 5 clear contenders from start to finish. The WDC lead changing all the time.

But, somehow, I wasn't totally hooked. Maybe the overtaking problem hampered things too much in half the races and I expected too many bores? A lack of late charges to the finish too keep you on the edge of your seat? Maybe it's was the lack of high attrition that kept you praying for a finish for your chosen driver as in days of old? Could be that Livetiming is killing the excitement a bit when you can see the gaps that I've been used to missng in the old days? There is something to be said for having less info to hand! Maybe I'm just getting older and have seen it all before? I dunno.

Drawing a comparison to 1986 is an obvious one. Even though that had a few bore races, it had the excitement throughout and great finishes - races that are still looked back on as classics and watch again over and over. Not sure the same will apply for 2010.

Vettel was a worthy WDC, but his legacy would seem to be how to make winning in the best car, hard. He should've walked it really but he got there in the end.

KaraK

13,785 posts

238 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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tim-b said:
KaraK said:

Vettel:

The Red Bulls had a massive, massive car advantage all season long and yet spent most of the year shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity, a good chunk of that falls at Seb's feet, lack of mechanical sympathy and a severe amount of clumsiness around other cars meant he made very hard work of the WDC. You can't help but feel if it had been Lewis, Jenson, Fernando or even Michael Schumacher in that car it would have been all over ages ago and we'd now be talking about a boring season.
Seriously? The Brawn advantage last year was greater than the RB advantage this year IMHO, when JB only stitched up the championship 1 race from the end after bumbling his way through the 2nd half of the season.
The Brawn advantage may have been slightly larger at the start of the season but the chasing teams closed it very quickly. The Red Bull was the fastest car towards the end of the season IMO. The reason why it looked so impressive was that they had better reliability and Jenson made such good use of the car while it was faster.
This year with the exception of one or two tracks that didn't suit them the RB6 was substantially quicker then the competition all year, look at the sector times for Abu Dhabi and you'll see that the only reason the Mclaren was any where near on pace was because of the extremely long straights, through the sectors that actually had corners the Red Bulls were mighty.

npope

564 posts

231 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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I have to say it was a good year, yes close at the end but a mate an me where trying to think was there any over taking for the lead in a dry race. I do in some ways wish pit stops get taken out and people need to over take to win.


Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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Hmmm. It's been an interesting old year.

There have been a few stand out performances throughout the year, but none have been consistent or gone on for more than a race or two.

Every driver (with the possible exception of Bobby K) made mistakes. Off the top of my head;
Vettel, too hot headed in Turkey and Belgium.
Webber trying too hard in Australia and dropping it in Korea.
Alonso for dropping it in Belgium and for killing the car at Monaco.
Massa for giving up after Germany.
Hamilton for trusting other drivers to give him enough room.
Button for qualifying performance being way below his race performances.
Etc.

All the main players made mistakes throughout the year, but on the flipside, they all showed moments of genius.

Some drivers really showed their worth in substandard cars too. Notably Kubica, Rosberg, Kobayashi, Chandhock and Barrichello.

Some drivers showed that they shouldn't have been given a seat. Pedro De La Rosa anyone?

The cars this year (although cleared of aero appendages a couple of years ago) were far too aero efficient. No-one (apart from the engineers) wants to see cars doing 60 odd laps whilst not putting a wheel wrong.

The tyres this year were crap. When I say crap I mean they were too good. And having to use both compounds is a load of bks.

I'll say it again (for the umpteenth time on PH)

Teams should be free to use whichever compounds they wish however they wish in the race. The soft compound should only be able to last 40% of the race and the hard compound should only last 90%. That is all.

Hopefully Pirelli will bring along some P-Zeros next year.

The FIA is (surprisingly for this viewer) a lot better with the Toad in charge. Although I believe that it is because he is very hands off. The ex-driver stewards have been very good consistently. Although maybe the dhead fanboys should take a joke before the race as a joke, not a note of intent.

When Alonso won his titles and when Lewis and Jenson won theirs I felt some sort of emotion, even if it was just being proud of them for having done a brilliant job. When Vettel crossed the line, I felt nothing. It was strange really.

All in all an odd season.

Best overtake of the year: Liuzzi on DLR at Australia. A superb move which was set up 6 corners before.

Best performance of the year: Button at Monza. McLaren's slower pitstop lost him the race. He had Alonso covered when he was in front.

Car of the year: Red Bull RB6. They should have sealed everything up by Japan.

Driver I hope gets a seat next year: Chandhock. Way better than expected. A very solid driver.

ph123

1,841 posts

247 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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I wonder just how wounded Ferrari are, being beaten by a fizzy drinks manufacturer.
Don't need it do they?

Edited by ph123 on Tuesday 16th November 16:50

PabloTeK

1,073 posts

204 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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Tyres: They were as bad as ever even though Bridgestone said they wanted to spice things up somewhat, spicing things up Bridgestone is not KEEPING THEM THE BLOODY SAME.

Vettel: Definitely the fastest but the best? Well he had a massive advantage almost all year and still took until Abu Dhabi to wrap it up, JB last year had it sorted by Brazil...

Mick: getting there but this year the car for him has not looked good to drive but better for Rosberg which suggests it was too front-biased for him.

Maaaaark: The most-deserving out of the Red Bull pairing, didn't steamroller his teammate or any fellow championship rivals either...

Alonso: The most-focused all year and despite a few silly errors and Ferrari being Ferrari he's done very well.

Lewis: At the start of the year I was extremely unimpressed and now he's managed to regain himself in my eyes.

Circuits: Get rid of Bahrain. Now.

Tony2or4

1,283 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th November 2010
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A possibly interesting slant on this year's results is a comparison of how many times each driver has visited the podium:

Vettel, Webber, Alonso: 10 podiums each

Hamilton: 9 podiums

Button: 7 podiums

Massa: 5 podiums

Rosberg, Kubica: 3 podiums each

chris_w

2,571 posts

288 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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I wonder if we've all been conditioned by the years of Schumacher/Ferrari domination? Now, anything less than a mistake-free run to the championship is somehow deemed less than worthy of taking the big prize?

Unrelated, and just out of curiosity, but would the results have been been any different under the old points system?