New MOT Regs - 'illegal engine chipping'
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This subjects seems to be exploding onto the different forums
Based on this kind of info:
The car/light goods vehicle MOT test is about to change the European Commission has changed the Directive that covers it. We take a look at when these changes are likely to come into effect and what they mean for MOT testers.
Britain has been testing vehicles under the MOT scheme for 50 years now. Last year, the EuropeanDirective covering the MOT test was updated and revised by a modern version called 2009/40/EC. This was then updated by 2010/48/EU, which was ratified on 5 July this year. The new Directive keeps the EUminimum 4-2-2 test frequency but adds a number of new elements to the British MOT test. The Directiveanticipates all test changes being in place by 1 January 2012, and a common European approach to test certificates in place by 1 January 2014. So what is VOSA doing to introduce the changes? In terms of test frequency, in mid-July the coalition government confirmed that it intends to look at the issue of MOT test frequencies later this year. VOSA contributed statistical data to inform the last review in 2008, and we expect that our computer system and the data you have entered will be utilised again in much the same way. We expect to hear more details of the governments review proposals later in the year.
As far as changes to the test content are concerned, VOSA has already been analysing the requirements of the new Directive and working out how to implement them. We started this earlier in the year by talking with representatives of the MOT trade at our regular Trade User Group and VTS Council meetings. Both VOSA and the Department for Transport (DfT) are keen to ensure that any changes to the test are introduced in as practical a way as possible, keeping the burden on the trade to a minimum and ideally keeping the changes cost neutral. In many cases, the changes shouldnt necessarily lead to an increase in average test times. A good example is the malfunction indicator lamps on the dashboard that indicate defective electronic power steering, electronic stability control and secondary restraint systems. Testers already check the dashboard for other lamps, so no extra time would be required for this addition to the test.Electrical wiring and batteries arenow included in the tests scope,but testers already check thevehicle structure where wiring issecured often along the sameroutes as other testable items,such as brake pipes in the enginecompartment. So again, thisdoesnt look like an additionalburden on the tester. In the precomputerisationdays, testers often(wrongly) failed vehicles for insecurebatteries, so they must have beenlooking at them then! Now, itmeans that when we implementthe new Directive, vehicles canlegitimately fail for battery insecurity,for no extra tester effort.
Other items such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine chipping will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOTstations. Some of the new items may require extra effort on the part of the tester when we know forsure what that is well be talking again with our trade and DfT colleagues to work out what theimpact will be.
The common EU test certificateshould be relatively easy to achieve the only data that the Directiveexpects and that we dont currentlyprovide is the symbol for thevehicles country of origin. Probably99% of vehicles tested will haveUK entered here, but if you do testvehicles with a foreign plate, youwill need to enter the correctcountry symbol. We may even beable to make this change earlier ifthere is a convenient opportunity.
The MOT trade can rest assuredthat VOSA is working closely withyou to introduce any new elementsas efficiently and effectively aspossible, with the minimum offuss. Just as importantly, we arealso working closely with Siemensto ensure that any system changesdue on New Years Eve 2011 gosmoothly! We should know moreby the time the MOT seminars takeplace come along and ask theexperts. Well also be sure to keepyou posted on developmentsthrough Matters of Testing
Anyone got anymore facts ?
Based on this kind of info:
letter to mot traders said:
The car/light goods vehicle MOT test is about to change the European Commission has changed the Directive that covers it. We take a look at when these changes are likely to come into effect and what they mean for MOT testers.
Britain has been testing vehicles under the MOT scheme for 50 years now. Last year, the EuropeanDirective covering the MOT test was updated and revised by a modern version called 2009/40/EC. This was then updated by 2010/48/EU, which was ratified on 5 July this year. The new Directive keeps the EUminimum 4-2-2 test frequency but adds a number of new elements to the British MOT test. The Directiveanticipates all test changes being in place by 1 January 2012, and a common European approach to test certificates in place by 1 January 2014. So what is VOSA doing to introduce the changes? In terms of test frequency, in mid-July the coalition government confirmed that it intends to look at the issue of MOT test frequencies later this year. VOSA contributed statistical data to inform the last review in 2008, and we expect that our computer system and the data you have entered will be utilised again in much the same way. We expect to hear more details of the governments review proposals later in the year.
As far as changes to the test content are concerned, VOSA has already been analysing the requirements of the new Directive and working out how to implement them. We started this earlier in the year by talking with representatives of the MOT trade at our regular Trade User Group and VTS Council meetings. Both VOSA and the Department for Transport (DfT) are keen to ensure that any changes to the test are introduced in as practical a way as possible, keeping the burden on the trade to a minimum and ideally keeping the changes cost neutral. In many cases, the changes shouldnt necessarily lead to an increase in average test times. A good example is the malfunction indicator lamps on the dashboard that indicate defective electronic power steering, electronic stability control and secondary restraint systems. Testers already check the dashboard for other lamps, so no extra time would be required for this addition to the test.Electrical wiring and batteries arenow included in the tests scope,but testers already check thevehicle structure where wiring issecured often along the sameroutes as other testable items,such as brake pipes in the enginecompartment. So again, thisdoesnt look like an additionalburden on the tester. In the precomputerisationdays, testers often(wrongly) failed vehicles for insecurebatteries, so they must have beenlooking at them then! Now, itmeans that when we implementthe new Directive, vehicles canlegitimately fail for battery insecurity,for no extra tester effort.
Other items such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine chipping will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOTstations. Some of the new items may require extra effort on the part of the tester when we know forsure what that is well be talking again with our trade and DfT colleagues to work out what theimpact will be.
The common EU test certificateshould be relatively easy to achieve the only data that the Directiveexpects and that we dont currentlyprovide is the symbol for thevehicles country of origin. Probably99% of vehicles tested will haveUK entered here, but if you do testvehicles with a foreign plate, youwill need to enter the correctcountry symbol. We may even beable to make this change earlier ifthere is a convenient opportunity.
The MOT trade can rest assuredthat VOSA is working closely withyou to introduce any new elementsas efficiently and effectively aspossible, with the minimum offuss. Just as importantly, we arealso working closely with Siemensto ensure that any system changesdue on New Years Eve 2011 gosmoothly! We should know moreby the time the MOT seminars takeplace come along and ask theexperts. Well also be sure to keepyou posted on developmentsthrough Matters of Testing
snowmuncher said:
This subjects seems to be exploding onto the different forums
Based on this kind of info:
NO, and anyone who says they have at the moment will be talking fiction.Based on this kind of info:
letter to mot traders said:
Badly copied and pasted hearsay
Anyone got anymore facts ? Edited by jagracer on Sunday 21st November 10:18
Pushrod-Power said:
No 
but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths 
bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly 
It's not really VOSA's decision but they do take on board lobbying from the motor trade although no doubt the final call will come from the gubberment and the EU, I bet I know who'll win. but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly A similar issue came up a few years ago concerning aftermarket electric kit.
The UK interpretation on the regulations would have made it illegal for any post-factory installation of eletrical kit. This would have included emergency vehicles.
This was clearly ridiculous, and got stamped on within a month or so of surfacing.
You've got to hope the same happens here, for existing vehicles anyway.
The UK interpretation on the regulations would have made it illegal for any post-factory installation of eletrical kit. This would have included emergency vehicles.
This was clearly ridiculous, and got stamped on within a month or so of surfacing.
You've got to hope the same happens here, for existing vehicles anyway.
jagracer said:
Pushrod-Power said:
No but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly
It's not really VOSA's decision but they do take on board lobbying from the motor trade although no doubt the final call will come from the gubberment and the EU, I bet I know who'll win. but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly 
Pushrod-Power said:
jagracer said:
Pushrod-Power said:
No but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly
It's not really VOSA's decision but they do take on board lobbying from the motor trade although no doubt the final call will come from the gubberment and the EU, I bet I know who'll win. but probably as much use as VOSA thinking about changing the test interval from every 12mths to 24mths bloody dangerous and much more of a concern frankly 
Just come across this again.. anymore info on this?
Latest rumours are 2012 and the following legislation:
There are to be some changes to the MOT test from 1st January 2012 which are being introduced in response to European Commission Directive 2010/48/EU of the 5th July 2010 and which will effect those with aftermarket HID headlights and remapped ECUs:
4.1.4 Compliance with requirements:
(a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements
(b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour
(c) Light source and lamp not compatible
4.1.5. Levelling devices (where mandatory):
(a) Device not operating.
(b) Manual device cannot be operated from driver’s seat.
4.1.6 Headlamp cleaning device (where mandatory):
Device not operating.
For anyone with a remap, section 6.1.9 may be relevant.
6.1.9 Engine performance:
(a) Control unit illegal modified.
(b) Illegal engine modification.
(by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)
There will also be a new check on the general condition of the wiring:
4.11. Electrical wiring
(a) Wiring insecure or not adequately secured.
(b) Wiring deteriorated.
(c) Damaged or deteriorated insulation
and on the function of airbag and seat belt pre-tensioner systems:
7.1.4. Safety belt Pre-tensioners:
Pre-tensioner obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.
7.1.5. Airbag:
(a) Airbags obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.
(b) Airbag obviously non-operative.
7.1.6. SRS Systems:
SRS MIL indicates any kind of failure of the system.
This is ridiculous.. no engine modifications or remapping at all..
I f
king hate those EU s.
Latest rumours are 2012 and the following legislation:
There are to be some changes to the MOT test from 1st January 2012 which are being introduced in response to European Commission Directive 2010/48/EU of the 5th July 2010 and which will effect those with aftermarket HID headlights and remapped ECUs:
4.1.4 Compliance with requirements:
(a) Lamp, emitted colour, position or intensity not in accordance with the requirements
(b) Products on lens or light source which obviously reduce light intensity or change emitted colour
(c) Light source and lamp not compatible
4.1.5. Levelling devices (where mandatory):
(a) Device not operating.
(b) Manual device cannot be operated from driver’s seat.
4.1.6 Headlamp cleaning device (where mandatory):
Device not operating.
For anyone with a remap, section 6.1.9 may be relevant.
6.1.9 Engine performance:
(a) Control unit illegal modified.
(b) Illegal engine modification.
(by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)
There will also be a new check on the general condition of the wiring:
4.11. Electrical wiring
(a) Wiring insecure or not adequately secured.
(b) Wiring deteriorated.
(c) Damaged or deteriorated insulation
and on the function of airbag and seat belt pre-tensioner systems:
7.1.4. Safety belt Pre-tensioners:
Pre-tensioner obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.
7.1.5. Airbag:
(a) Airbags obviously missing or not suitable with the vehicle.
(b) Airbag obviously non-operative.
7.1.6. SRS Systems:
SRS MIL indicates any kind of failure of the system.
This is ridiculous.. no engine modifications or remapping at all..
I f
king hate those EU s.tyranical said:
6.1.9 Engine performance:
(a) Control unit illegal modified.
(b) Illegal engine modification.
(by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)
As far as I know, engine remapping isn't illegal? You need to declare to insurer and you might invalidate your warranty, but not illegal. We need to see what definition they are actually intending to use.(a) Control unit illegal modified.
(b) Illegal engine modification.
(by 'illegal', it is assumed that they mean changed/programmed differently from OEM specifications)
Same goes for 'illegal engine modifications' as far as I know, modifying the engine isn't illegal either, subject to informing your insurer and potentially invalidating your warranty.
mrmr96 said:
As far as I know, engine remapping isn't illegal? You need to declare to insurer and you might invalidate your warranty, but not illegal. We need to see what definition they are actually intending to use.
Same goes for 'illegal engine modifications' as far as I know, modifying the engine isn't illegal either, subject to informing your insurer and potentially invalidating your warranty.
You didn't read the thread at all did you.Same goes for 'illegal engine modifications' as far as I know, modifying the engine isn't illegal either, subject to informing your insurer and potentially invalidating your warranty.
These are EU directives coming in from 1st of January 2012.
Now go and read again and post a relevant response.
mrmr96 said:
Show me where in the thread "Illegal" is defined. tt.
Now now child, no need to throw the T bomb at me.t.Your response is written referring to the CURRENT MOT rules, the thread is about the FUTURE MOT rules.
They can tell when any car has been remapped if they want to... different software is easily detectable by someone with the software to do so and even if you put it back to standard the ECU contains timestamps which show software updates.
tyranical said:
Now now child, no need to throw the T bomb at me.
Your response is written referring to the CURRENT MOT rules, the thread is about the FUTURE MOT rules.
My response is based on the law as it stands, yes. But the new rules say you can't have anything 'illegal' but that's fine because as far as I can tell they've made nothing extra illegal.Your response is written referring to the CURRENT MOT rules, the thread is about the FUTURE MOT rules.
mrmr96 said:
tyranical said:
Now now child, no need to throw the T bomb at me.
Your response is written referring to the CURRENT MOT rules, the thread is about the FUTURE MOT rules.
My response is based on the law as it stands, yes. But the new rules say you can't have anything 'illegal' but that's fine because as far as I can tell they've made nothing extra illegal.Your response is written referring to the CURRENT MOT rules, the thread is about the FUTURE MOT rules.
Shall we leave it there?
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