Wood / coal / multi fuel burning Stove

[rich_vw]

Morning all,

After taking a hammer to the rest of the fire place in the lounge over the weekend I've found it's a fairly decent size opening which got me thinking that a stove type thing would look good instead of just boarding the hole and putting a generic wall mounted fire on.

The chimney is of brick construction (late 50's / early 60's)

So what do I need to know in the way of preparation and approx costs?? Will only be after a fairly small / simple unit as new gas central heating is being install.

Thanks,

R

[fatboy b]

Ours was:

£1300 for the stove
£1000 for the chimney liner & fitting
£1000 to dig the old floor-standing wood-burner out, modifying the hole, removing old fireplace surround, installing new stove, and making good the wall with heat-proof plaster.

[Gaspode]

Whereas when they did ours they discovered that the original wooden tree trunk that had been put in as a lintel about 400 years ago had burned through and been braced with a puny little 1" square bar that had bent over the years, leading to much cracking and sagging of the stonework.

So we started out thinking we were looking at around 3 grand to have a log burner put in, to find out it was 6 weeks and over 8 grand to have the first floor jacked up, new lintels put in (one rsj, one concrete, and a length of 9" by 4" oak), and everything else done.

Still, at least we discovered it before the house fell down, and the log burner is lovely...

[rich_vw]

Are there any that don't require a chimney liner?

[fatboy b]

rich_vw said:

Are there any that don't require a chimney liner?

Not in a house the age of yours. Temps are 450'C + as they exit the stove , and the acid smoke can dissolve the mortar if not lined. In any case, it's best to get a local stove installer in to have a look and see what he thinks. Then you can work out what you can do yourself. But you also have to consider building insurance if you do it all yourself.

[b2dan]

Mine was installed yesterday:



£2600 altogether.
£800 for the stove.
£1800 for the liner and installation.

Local company installed it. They did a survey before hand to see what needed doing.

b2

[Puggit]

Gaspode said:

Whereas when they did ours they discovered that the original wooden tree trunk that had been put in as a lintel about 400 years ago had burned through and been braced with a puny little 1" square bar that had bent over the years, leading to much cracking and sagging of the stonework.

So we started out thinking we were looking at around 3 grand to have a log burner put in, to find out it was 6 weeks and over 8 grand to have the first floor jacked up, new lintels put in (one rsj, one concrete, and a length of 9" by 4" oak), and everything else done.

Still, at least we discovered it before the house fell down, and the log burner is lovely...

Even better than our's!

We have a 5 year old house, complete with fireplace. Called the local stove company in, to find our chimney was only a class 2 (suitable for gas). So we have an industrial style flue running up the outside of the house - costing an extra £1000 to install.

Nevermind, we can't see it - and the stove is lovely...

[tvradict]

I installed my multifuel stove 3 weeks ago, its lovely.

I was told in no uncertain terms by the stove seller that as I had a working open coal fire, and that there were no sign of leaks from my chimney, I DID NOT need a liner. They were HETAS registered engineers and sold the Liners.

I was quoted £1800 to supply and fit a liner. I could buy the liner for £400. £1400 for a few hours work. Not a chance I'm paying that. That was before I found out I didn't need one.

[Lancs Jag Boy]

Just had a 7kW Stovax inset stove fitted. We don't have a chimney breats, so it had to be inset and that meant a lot of work and a lot of making good. The old 1970s fireplace that was long low and minging didn't help.

£1300 for the stove
£1000 for the liner fitted (it's a big chimney)
£1200 for the surround, mantle and hearth
£1000 to rip out old fireplace, remove waster and make good.

It's the best £4.5k I've ever spent. I'm now getting hardwood seasoned logs delivered by the 1/2 tonne for £62 and boy do they make a difference. Burn baby burn!!!!!!

[Shaman]

LJB
Where in lancs are you & where do you get your wood delivered from?

[dave144]

Wow some of the costs here are huge! I have a 5kw multi burner in the room and a 7kw multi in the dining room, fitted after my house flooded in 2007.

~ 5 kw bought off a mate second hand £250
~ 7 kw bought new for £600
~ £1000 fitting for both!

No liners needed as he carried out smoke tests etc before hand. The house is a 1930's semi, normal construction. The heat produced is unreal! A "mate of a mate" supplies me with wooden pallets at £1 each.

[jjones]

SAEY stove, very nice quality, was about 1.7k also has electric fan which is beyond awesome.




we had an open fire before this and this inset is just brilliant.

Edited by jjones on Wednesday 1st December 23:57

[rich_vw]

tvradict said:

I was told in no uncertain terms by the stove seller that as I had a working open coal fire, and that there were no sign of leaks from my chimney, I DID NOT need a liner. They were HETAS registered engineers and sold the Liners.

This is what I'm hoping...it was once used as a coal fire but this had been changed to gas at some point, I just wasn't sure if you 'had' to get a it lined regardless of previous use.

[Lancs Jag Boy]

Shaman said:

LJB
Where in lancs are you & where do you get your wood delivered from?

I'm in Chorley and get my logs from Derek Fox in Longridge. I highly recommend them.

http://www.derekfoxtimber.co.uk/logs_and_firewood/

[Shaman]

Lancs Jag Boy said:

Shaman said:

LJB
Where in lancs are you & where do you get your wood delivered from?

I'm in Chorley and get my logs from Derek Fox in Longridge. I highly recommend them.

http://www.derekfoxtimber.co.uk/logs_and_firewood/

Cheers

[Road2Ruin]

fatboy b said:

rich_vw said:

Are there any that don't require a chimney liner?

Not in a house the age of yours. Temps are 450'C + as they exit the stove , and the acid smoke can dissolve the mortar if not lined. In any case, it's best to get a local stove installer in to have a look and see what he thinks. Then you can work out what you can do yourself. But you also have to consider building insurance if you do it all yourself.

I had one professionally installed about 3 years ago and didn't need a liner. I was told as long as the chimney is clean and sound it's not necessary. My house was built in about 1952.

[fatboy b]

Road2Ruin said:

fatboy b said:

rich_vw said:

Are there any that don't require a chimney liner?

Not in a house the age of yours. Temps are 450'C + as they exit the stove , and the acid smoke can dissolve the mortar if not lined. In any case, it's best to get a local stove installer in to have a look and see what he thinks. Then you can work out what you can do yourself. But you also have to consider building insurance if you do it all yourself.

I had one professionally installed about 3 years ago and didn't need a liner. I was told as long as the chimney is clean and sound it's not necessary. My house was built in about 1952.

I guess there's lots of different advice out there then. The guy who sweeps our lined chimney mentioned last time he was round that many of the unlined chimneys (with woodburners) he sweeps often have mortar dropping down as he sweeps. That's OK for a while if it's mortar that's lining the stack. But when the mortar starts to dissolve between the bricks, you've got problems. Only houses built in the last 30 years or so have had to have proper fire-proof mortar in the stack apparently. May be I was sold one, but for a £1000, it was a no-brainer for me. Also makes the fire draw a whole lot better too.

Edited by fatboy b on Thursday 2nd December 14:08