Is it just me....
Discussion
...who is sick to the back teeth of the village idiots on here bleating on about "why do people need a 4x4"?
Maybe they like them. Maybe they just want one. Maybe they like the way they look, feel, drive etc etc. I dont have a 4x4, but have had a few and they are nice to drive and give a nice driving position.
Some bang on about how big they are. Well, my 5 series estate is longer than alot of 4x4s and just as wide, so why dont you go an about those too?
Each to their own-if they like them the shut the fook up and mind you own business.
Maybe they like them. Maybe they just want one. Maybe they like the way they look, feel, drive etc etc. I dont have a 4x4, but have had a few and they are nice to drive and give a nice driving position.
Some bang on about how big they are. Well, my 5 series estate is longer than alot of 4x4s and just as wide, so why dont you go an about those too?
Each to their own-if they like them the shut the fook up and mind you own business.
I feel your frustration.
It is sad that people take the time of day to criticise others on their choice of vehicle. Not everyone has the same taste, cash or requirements!
As we are challenging conceptions, I would also like to state that I enjoy the occasional cold weather blast with the roof down, I like wearing a T-shirt or light jumper when travelling so will enjoy my warm micro - climate with the roof up, man points or not.
It is sad that people take the time of day to criticise others on their choice of vehicle. Not everyone has the same taste, cash or requirements!
As we are challenging conceptions, I would also like to state that I enjoy the occasional cold weather blast with the roof down, I like wearing a T-shirt or light jumper when travelling so will enjoy my warm micro - climate with the roof up, man points or not.
Try living in a inner city area and every daft bint whose husband is doing well is driving around in Audi Q7 or BMW X5 thinking they own the road.
I grew up in a rural area. Having a 4WD for the purposes they are designed for is fine.
Having one so darling Olivia and Harry can be taken to the private school half a block away is a bit pointless.
I grew up in a rural area. Having a 4WD for the purposes they are designed for is fine.
Having one so darling Olivia and Harry can be taken to the private school half a block away is a bit pointless.
In my opinion off roaders do not perform well enough in pedestrian accidents and I therefore think it's irresponsible to buy one out of pure vanity.
They are extremely useful in rural areas and I can certainly see the appeal - I'd have one if I lived way out. I probably couldn't face driving one around town though
They are extremely useful in rural areas and I can certainly see the appeal - I'd have one if I lived way out. I probably couldn't face driving one around town though
It's all about 'fittness for purpose.'
If someone was to but a Lambo or Ferrari and then only drive it on urban 30 and 40mph roads, most on here would say "What's the point?" or "What a waste."
The same could be said of urban 4x4 drivers and you have to ask, in both cases, what their motivation/reasoning is for buying such a vehicle for use in such circumstances.
That said, it's still a free(ish) country and people are entitled to buy what vehicle they like and drive it on the roads they choose.
If someone was to but a Lambo or Ferrari and then only drive it on urban 30 and 40mph roads, most on here would say "What's the point?" or "What a waste."
The same could be said of urban 4x4 drivers and you have to ask, in both cases, what their motivation/reasoning is for buying such a vehicle for use in such circumstances.
That said, it's still a free(ish) country and people are entitled to buy what vehicle they like and drive it on the roads they choose.
I agree - I personally can't stand the things (4x4s), however who am I and what right do I have to critise what other people drive? I'd be very much the person in the glass house throwing stones as surely a 2 seater with a big engine is probably the least useful practical form of transport that there is.
My take on them is the same as it is for, say, smoking. Not my cup of tea but I'll not ever say they should be banned or whatever, as this opens up the floodgates and next thing people will be banning the things that I like.
My take on them is the same as it is for, say, smoking. Not my cup of tea but I'll not ever say they should be banned or whatever, as this opens up the floodgates and next thing people will be banning the things that I like.
I raised this point in the winter tyres thread, but PH is going down the pan, you can't do anything on here that the general masses diasgrees with.
Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
pits said:
I raised this point in the winter tyres thread, but PH is going down the pan, you can't do anything on here that the general masses diasgrees with.
Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
Or, maybe people just have a different opinon to you. Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
What you are asking for is for people to tow the line that you want to take. Which is hardly in the spirit of individual freedom etc.
Buy whatever you want, just don't seek approval from anonymous people on the internet for it.
pits said:
I raised this point in the winter tyres thread, but PH is going down the pan, you can't do anything on here that the general masses diasgrees with.
Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
Spot on. I hope I have steered clear of the PH cliches (I know it has an accent!). It seems there are masses of threads covering the same divisive topics urging people to argue in an attempt to 'one-up' others, at times it seems quite hostile.Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
etc etc etc
Really has lost the ideal of what PH is about and now it is just full of people who don't listen and must follow the law to the letter and criticise others for their wrongs regardless of what it is, or if something is stated and people agree with it then it becomes gospel and we will not have a word against it (winter tyre users)
Almost like people are just agreeing and arguing to fit in and be a "true PHer"
What happened to the days when you posted up and asked if buy a P38 Range Rover was a good idea in General Gassing and you were told to go for it as long as it was a V8, and if you bought it in winter, you didn't have to fit winter tyres, because no one has yet to mention winter tyres so they aren't gospel.
the past year or so maybe even 2 has been an influx of new users who within 7 posts are talking about 335ds, bashing backdoors in, Oxo towers, it is almost like PH has become full of egotistical people who must be right and show that their post is better than yours and they are right, and that you should do something else because what you want to do isn't going to be fit for purpose, or may just bend the law slightly.
Sad days when people on a motoring forum such as this can't even have an opinion of their own.
But maybe this is the evolution of motoring forums - as regulations in the motoring world are constricting what can be developed, and EU regs constrict what motorists and manufacturers alike can do maybe it will be echoed on PH?
If you would have to drive past Battersea bridge like I do every day you will realise that most if the traffic is caused by stupid women with 1 child in a 4x4 . It seems everyone who can't drive owns a 4x4 , that's why we as nation hate them . Btw I had four 4x4s and I have always made sure that I'm not hogging the road
pits said:
I raised this point in the winter tyres thread, but PH is going down the pan, you can't do anything on here that the general masses diasgrees with.
Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
Right that's it. I'm off to buy a diesel 4X4 and fit winter tyres and HID's. That way I'll be high up and going fast (with sensible economy) and I'll get a better view of the schoolchildren I'm about run over in central London....oh, hang on....Must fit winter tyres, no ifs not buts you must fit them, because we on PH have discussed it at great length so therefore we are right.
4x4 owners, why do you need one, why don't you have a big Volvo estate.
Want brighter lights, heaven forbid you think about fitting a HID kit as these are illegal under section something of something.
By and large I think they are pointless for most people, but like has been said, if they want one, thats up to them, if they want to pay more for the car, for fuel and drive something so big and ponderous then thats up to them.
A neighbour has just bought a 15 year old Land Rover 90 and I must admit I keep sneaking a look, I know it will be slow and horrible but its just so cool, especially compared to next doors matching pair of RR Sports which I would imagine are very nice but make me cringe.
Lets face it, 90 percent of 4 by 4s are about image and driven by non car enthusaists, the rest made up of necessity purchases.
At the moment, the bit of snow is a godsend for the owners as they now have some justification and a chance to be a bit smug.
A neighbour has just bought a 15 year old Land Rover 90 and I must admit I keep sneaking a look, I know it will be slow and horrible but its just so cool, especially compared to next doors matching pair of RR Sports which I would imagine are very nice but make me cringe.
Lets face it, 90 percent of 4 by 4s are about image and driven by non car enthusaists, the rest made up of necessity purchases.
At the moment, the bit of snow is a godsend for the owners as they now have some justification and a chance to be a bit smug.
frosted said:
If you would have to drive past Battersea bridge like I do every day you will realise that most if the traffic is caused by stupid women with 1 child in a 4x4 . It seems everyone who can't drive owns a 4x4 , that's why we as nation hate them . Btw I had four 4x4s and I have always made sure that I'm not hogging the road
They would still be a bad driver in a Merc E Class estate and take up as much space, so what difference it's a 4x4 make?and yes, I have got one.
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