Lib-Dem wobbles
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HE is a labour fan boy/activist. All he posts in these sections is akin to the socialist worker memorabilia.
Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 7th December 10:47
Am I the only one to think this tuition fees thing is being blown out of proportion? Yes, they are divided between their pre-election pledge (one they never thought they'd be in a position to fulfill) and their support for the coalition but guess what, this is what a coalition looks like.
Compromises will need to be found and by the very nature of government these things will inevitably lead to internal debate that spills over into the public domain.
Compromises will need to be found and by the very nature of government these things will inevitably lead to internal debate that spills over into the public domain.
chris_w said:
Am I the only one to think this tuition fees thing is being blown out of proportion?
No, at least one more like minded soul exists.The generally Labour-favouring media start frothing at the mouth over anything and turn it into a coalition disaster and break-up scenario, purely wishful thinking, this morning it was David Davis in the Tory ranks and I swear the BBC forecast a tsunami in Goole after his comment.
chris_w said:
Am I the only one to think this tuition fees thing is being blown out of proportion? Yes, they are divided between their pre-election pledge (one they never thought they'd be in a position to fulfill) and their support for the coalition but guess what, this is what a coalition looks like.
Compromises will need to be found and by the very nature of government these things will inevitably lead to internal debate that spills over into the public domain.
Not at all the only one.Compromises will need to be found and by the very nature of government these things will inevitably lead to internal debate that spills over into the public domain.
Cuts in tuition fees are an obvious thing to do in the current situation and the correctness of that decision has only been reinforced by the student protests. IMO.
It's actually quite funny seeing the LDs squirm to get out of promises made not because they believed in them but because they believed they would never get into power so could say what they thought would casue issues for whoever did.
turbobloke said:
chris_w said:
Am I the only one to think this tuition fees thing is being blown out of proportion?
No, at least one more like minded soul exists.The generally Labour-favouring media start frothing at the mouth over anything and turn it into a coalition disaster and break-up scenario, purely wishful thinking, this morning it was David Davis in the Tory ranks and I swear the BBC forecast a tsunami in Goole after his comment.
It's nothing more than Pro-Labour flag waving. I find it hard to believe that 10,000 students and the media are so stupid that they have not even read the proposal before protesting / reporting, or maybe I give them too much credit.I think the Liberals will be decimated at the next elections. Those who feel the government have done well will vote Tory and those who don't will vote Labour with the sandal wearing, tree hugging lot left on the roadside.
The party will then split with Clegg and his inner circle joining the Tories whilst Simon Hughes, Chris Huhne etc will run off and form some sort of Green/Socialist/pseudo liberal alliance.
And the nation will be better off in the long run.
The party will then split with Clegg and his inner circle joining the Tories whilst Simon Hughes, Chris Huhne etc will run off and form some sort of Green/Socialist/pseudo liberal alliance.
And the nation will be better off in the long run.
Victor McDade said:
I think the Liberals will be decimated at the next elections. Those who feel the government have done well will vote Tory and those who don't will vote Labour with the sandal wearing, tree hugging lot left on the roadside.
The party will then split with Clegg and his inner circle joining the Tories whilst Simon Hughes, Chris Huhne etc will run off and form some sort of Green/Socialist/pseudo liberal alliance.
And the nation will be better off in the long run.
I wouldn't be too sure of that too quickly.The party will then split with Clegg and his inner circle joining the Tories whilst Simon Hughes, Chris Huhne etc will run off and form some sort of Green/Socialist/pseudo liberal alliance.
And the nation will be better off in the long run.
Many other countries have coalition governments as a matter of course. They are used to them. We are not, and perhaps they'll take a bit of getting used to.
Come the next election (currently booked for 2015 but that may change
) the Lib Dems will emphasise what they have managed to achieve that would not have happened had the tories won outright (like the increase in personal tax allowances, f'rinstance). They will also be a lot more bloody careful about what they say, and what they sign because, as many have pointed out and not just on here, they fought an election in May with the underlying gut feeling that they wouldn't have to implement any of their manifesto pledges because they would still be in opposition.So the polls currently show the Lib Dems trailing the Monster Raving Loony Party. So what? The Thatcher government was about as popular as a plague of locusts in 1981/82 but they still won the 1983 election, the SDP was showing 44% in the polls just after it was launched and failed to do anything substantial in the following general elections and, based on the oipion polls, nobody was more surprised that the tories won the 1992 election than John Major.
The obituaries for the Lib Dems may be a little premature.
Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 7th December 16:47
elster said:
HE is a labour fan boy/activist. All he posts in these sections is akin to the socialist worker memorabilia.
Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Come along Thomas, you cannot possibly be referring to moi, catch up with my latest posts and read my full and frank confession, that's the one here in P.h not the News of the World.Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 7th December 10:47
The whole point of a coalition Government is the thinking behind it being the avoidance of a voting re-run and in this instance the critical need to form some sort of Government. Both Parties would need to compromise thereby ensuring the Government didn't fall by not achieving its there or thereabouts policy ambitions. The difference of opinion and the following compromise being the outcome of coalition rather than the reason for it.All said with a single mention of socialism, Oh bugger I've said it!
crankedup said:
elster said:
HE is a labour fan boy/activist. All he posts in these sections is akin to the socialist worker memorabilia.
Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Come along Thomas, you cannot possibly be referring to moi, catch up with my latest posts and read my full and frank confession, that's the one here in P.h not the News of the World.Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 7th December 10:47
The whole point of a coalition Government is the thinking behind it being the avoidance of a voting re-run and in this instance the critical need to form some sort of Government. Both Parties would need to compromise thereby ensuring the Government didn't fall by not achieving its there or thereabouts policy ambitions. The difference of opinion and the following compromise being the outcome of coalition rather than the reason for it.All said with a single mention of socialism, Oh bugger I've said it!
Sorry my wording was not accurate
The way a coalition government works is through different opinions and compromise.
crankedup said:
I'm delighted to see the students exercising the traditional non violent demo's, thought they had forgotten how to do it.The protests are all about the silly Lib-Dem promise as mentioned previously.
It is isn't that they forgot, it's that labour spent 13 years trying to legislate against the right to demonstrate.elster said:
crankedup said:
elster said:
HE is a labour fan boy/activist. All he posts in these sections is akin to the socialist worker memorabilia.
Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Come along Thomas, you cannot possibly be referring to moi, catch up with my latest posts and read my full and frank confession, that's the one here in P.h not the News of the World.Oh and in answer at this point in the 1st year of Labour Government there had already been more wobbles than in this colaition so far.
That was meant to be a united party.
The whole point of a coalition is difference of opinion and compromise.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 7th December 10:47
The whole point of a coalition Government is the thinking behind it being the avoidance of a voting re-run and in this instance the critical need to form some sort of Government. Both Parties would need to compromise thereby ensuring the Government didn't fall by not achieving its there or thereabouts policy ambitions. The difference of opinion and the following compromise being the outcome of coalition rather than the reason for it.All said with a single mention of socialism, Oh bugger I've said it!
Sorry my wording was not accurate
The way a coalition government works is through different opinions and compromise.
Edited by crankedup on Wednesday 8th December 19:56
crankedup said:
I know you love the left.
Sorry my wording was not accurate
The way a coalition government works is through different opinions and compromise.
Pleased to see that you have amended your first rant to a sensible sentence with the all important word of WORKS inserted into your amendment, rather than your earlier effort. Perhaps too many of your limited brain cells were focused onto dissing me rather than a sensible reply in the first place. You need to think about what your writing before commitment perhaps, thus avoiding such embarrassing basic errors. Oh yeah I can be a right git if I put my mind to it but prefer to be measured in response. Lib-dem leaning left Sorry my wording was not accurate
The way a coalition government works is through different opinions and compromise.
Edited by crankedup on Wednesday 8th December 19:56
I take it you have not points to add to the debate then as your post was subjective and aimed at me, rather than objective.
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