RE: PH Meets The Jaguar C-X75
RE: PH Meets The Jaguar C-X75
Friday 17th December 2010

PH Meets The Jaguar C-X75

PHers get an exclusive insight into Jag's spectacular jet-propelled supercar



We're bombarded these days with so much marketing hype that it's easy to dismiss new concept cars as nothing more than flashy PR spin. And so it could be with the Jaguar CX-75; sure it's a pretty car, but there are lots of show concepts like that, right?

Wrong. Because the CX-75 is a proper concept - a car that pushes the boundaries of what's theoretically possible in a car, and explores the limits of current (and future) technologies. To prove the point, Jaguar kindly invited PH to pop along to the Berkeley hotel for an exclusive chat with the engineers and designers behind the project, and for a glimpse of the real car behind the motor show glitz.


So a group of 30 lucky PHers (not to mention a few hangers-on from PH Towers) joined Jaguar in Knightsbridge last night, following the competition we ran a while back to round up an audience.

And what did we learn? Well, we won't go into the general details about the C-X75, because you can read all about it in our original story on Jaguar's spectacular concept car, but we were kept well entertained with some fascinating insights.

Like the fact that, because you can apply the torque of the electric motors to any wheel - in any direction - you could theoretically get the car's right-hand wheels turning in one direction and the left wheels turning in the other. Meaning the car could perform a 180-degree spin virtually on the spot.


Or that the tiny micro-turbines (the blades can't be much more than 10cm or so in diameter) can suck in up to 35,000 litres of air per minute - the same as Jaguar's 5.0-litre supercharged V8 at full tilt.

We also learned that, at a constant 100mph, with one turbine helping to provide motive power, the other can recharge the car's battery in just eight minutes - the key to the C-X75's incredible 500-mile-plus range.

Oh, and as well as the 200mph top speed and claimed 0-60mph time of 3.4secs, the C-X75 could theoretically do 50-90mph in just 2.3secs, courtesy of 1200nm (885lb ft) of torque available per wheel at 85mph.


Had enough factoids, yet? How about that you'd need Airbus A380 levels of computing complexity to make this car 'road viable'? That the turbine's exhaust gases fill in the aerodynamic hole in the 'wake' at the rear of the car reducing drag? Or that the reason this micro-turbine technology exists is because the Brit who came up with what effectively is a shrunken Jumbo Jet engine was told it couldn't be done by aerospace engineers at Rolls-Royce?

But our favourite nugget is that the interior door releases, which are operated from between an occupant's legs by a lever marked 'pull', imitate those on Martin Baker fighter plane ejector seat. Why? Just because the designers have wanted to do it for ages, and with this car they could. Brilliant.

Our winning PHers seemed to enjoy themselves, too:


"It's good to know that even when there's so much focus on efficiency, Jaguar is still looking after the enthusiast," said Ed Hasler (ehasler), "but it'll be interesting to see how much of this technology we'll see on the road in 20 years time."

Simon Frost (M5sime) reckoned the C-X75 is "stunning. It looks a little bit XJ220-like and very much larger than life."

Will Baxter (insight) - who runs a first-generation Honda Insight - thought that there was "an amazing depth of detail, especially the idea of the aero at the rear. It's a shame they didn't shout more about the amazing technology of this car when it was first shown."


But you don't have to take their word for it - if you fancy seeing the C-X75 yourself, the Berkeley showroom will be open to the public from 18 December to second of January. Believe us, it's worth a visit...

Meanwhile, our heartfelt thanks go to Jaguar, and particularly the guys involved with the project who gave up a valuable evening to share their passion for this spectacular car with us here at PH. They were:

Matthew Beavan, exterior design manager
Hugo Nightingale, lead interior designer
Stephen Nicholls, advanced propulsion systems manager
Phillip Lelliott, MD, Bladon Jets


"We've been getting emails all morning from PHers who attended this fantastic event and want to pass on their thanks to the Jaguar team who presented the C-X75," says PH editor Chris-R.

"Also deserving of a mention are the Jaguar folk who worked behind the scenes to help make this opportunity happen - so sincere thanks to one and all, from all of us!"

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HowMuchLonger

Original Poster:

3,016 posts

209 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Yum Yum:

Please don't make it just yet........I will let you know when I can afford it, and only then can you make it.

nsmith1180

3,941 posts

194 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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It is a truly special car. I felt special when I saw it at the Paris show, the only other stand that made me feel that special was Maybach because one of the staff there invited me on to the stand and spent half an hour talking about the car and the tech and how they build it. The Jag did that without anyone speaking to me, just by looking at me.

They have to build it. Now.

HowMuchLonger

Original Poster:

3,016 posts

209 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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nsmith1180 said:
They have to build it. Now.
NO!furious

Only build it when I can afford it. I would be so jealous if I saw one on the road and not in my garage.

soad

34,001 posts

192 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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That's a lot of tech. Impressive thumbup

HFEVO2

72 posts

223 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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The C-X75 is the only Electric concept car I've seen that really excites me.

The figures quoted are staggering and as the turbines seem to be so much better than using a petrol or diesel I can't think why nobody has done it before.

If the technology can be brought down to an affordable price and fitted to a small Jaguar saloon it will be a runaway winner.


Edited by HFEVO2 on Friday 17th December 13:29

HowardB

152 posts

191 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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note to self:-

- sell house,
- buy jag,
- move to somewhere with no speed limits and miles of beautiful roads!

ps wait until they have built it!

GTRene

19,302 posts

240 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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fantastic car and to love specs>>

PH said:
Or that the tiny micro-turbines (the blades can't be much more than 10cm or so in diameter) can suck in up to 35,000 litres of air per minute - the same as Jaguar's 5.0-litre supercharged V8 at full tilt.

We also learned that, at a constant 100mph, with one turbine helping to provide motive power, the other can recharge the car's battery in just eight minutes - the key to the C-X75's incredible 500-mile-plus range.

Oh, and as well as the 200mph top speed and claimed 0-60mph time of 3.4secs, the C-X75 could theoretically do 50-90mph in just 2.3secs, courtesy of 1200nm (885lb ft) of torque available per wheel at 85mph

Wayne95

436 posts

262 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Hi PH,

Just a note to say thanks for the event last night. It was great to meet the Jaguar team, and to discuss the design process with them.

Jaguar are certainly moving fast now, and certainly showing the Germans how to design stunning cars.

The C-X75 has some great technology in it, and the future looks just as exciting without the big V8's. I might keep one on the side though for the odd blast.....

Thanks again
Wayne

jamespink

1,218 posts

220 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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GTRene said:
fantastic car and to love specs>>

PH said:
Or that the tiny micro-turbines (the blades can't be much more than 10cm or so in diameter) can suck in up to 35,000 litres of air per minute - the same as Jaguar's 5.0-litre supercharged V8 at full tilt.

We also learned that, at a constant 100mph, with one turbine helping to provide motive power, the other can recharge the car's battery in just eight minutes - the key to the C-X75's incredible 500-mile-plus range.

Oh, and as well as the 200mph top speed and claimed 0-60mph time of 3.4secs, the C-X75 could theoretically do 50-90mph in just 2.3secs, courtesy of 1200nm (885lb ft) of torque available per wheel at 85mph
Something familiar here: British designers rewrite the rule book with a staggering leap forward in design thought. Frank Whittle would be proud!

Bahnstormer

943 posts

262 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Just to echo everyone else's comments.

Thanks to Jaguar for putting on a first class reception, and PH for setting it all up.

What a machine ! - love the D-Type mode that changes the digital display into a set of D-Type gauges !


Porsche997C4S

160 posts

180 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Porsche 918 looks better :P

marcosgt

11,333 posts

192 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Porsche997C4S said:
Porsche 918 looks better :P
Idiot! smile

M.

Giles D

2 posts

176 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Thanks very much for last night PH and the Jaguar guys, also for the beers afterwards in the pub with Garlick, Riggers and Co.

As someone who used to work for an industrial gas turbine company, Bladon Jets still have some way to go before this technology is viable in a road car; we're talking miniature power generation sets here, not propulsion. Additionally the power management system to get the whole thing to work together is more complex than we use to operate an offshore oil production platform.

However, to be fair to Bladon, they openly admitted there were still lots of challenges ahead. If they can get a deal with Tata, as intimated during the presentation, it should significantly accelerate their progress to being economically viable.

Podie

46,646 posts

291 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Giles D said:
However, to be fair to Bladon, they openly admitted there were still lots of challenges ahead. If they can get a deal with Tata, as intimated during the presentation, it should significantly accelerate their progress to being economically viable.
It did amuse me that it all started in the quinicential English way of "it can't be done, so I'll prove them wrong" hehe

As ever, it's always interesting to speak to the designers about their concepts to understand what they were trying to achieve, and their inspirations.

Oh, and I like champagne. smile

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

198 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Really gutted I couldn't make it, but too late to change my plans. I hope it looked as good in the flesh as it does in the pics.

PhilJames

234 posts

209 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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If you really like the CX15 Concept car then I'd strongly reccomend you get yourself a copy of the C-X75 motorshow brochure.

It's a lovely book. I managed to get one through work, when it turned up I was quite impressed. wink

M5Sime

151 posts

300 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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I would like to add my huge thanks for PH arranging this... It was superb to be able to get so close to the C-X75, but especialy to listen to the presentations and passion from the designers, engineer and MD of Bladon jets..

It really did look larger than a 'real' car would be if made, but I asked the exterior designer and he assured me the dimensions are all standard supercar... Wheelbase of a 599 etc.. I thought it looked wide, a consequence I was assured of the low height...

BR

Sime

SPPPISTON

146 posts

209 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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Great event, thank you PH & Jaguar for organising it clap

Impressive presentation & some real forward looking ideas, but disappointing that weight still remains the enemy. The concept car weighs 1350kgs, same sort of weight as a GT2/3 RS (1370).

The car looks glorious. bow

stew-S160

8,018 posts

254 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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I utterly love this car. The whole idea is genius to me.

SPPPISTON

146 posts

209 months

Friday 17th December 2010
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A couple of pics, one of the rear diffuser & integrated rear spoiler. The other one warning you to stay well away.....