land/ building advice.....
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Hi all,
Not sure if this is the right section etc.
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction or tell me if want im looking to achive is feasible.
Right here goes
I’m looking to buy some land to build a garage (approx quad size) to store my track car, + trailer etc, before any one ask this is strictly for private use only. I’m not concerned about running eleci or water as I’m planning on either getting a solar power system or a generator for those emergency, plus the fact I wont be there that often.
Now the tricky part, where do I find this land from? also do I need planning permission? if so what does that in tail? What are the costs for the above approx?
Also what the cost of building say a quad size garage approx? I was looking into getting containers and welding them to size as they are some companies which can do that, I know its not the best site in the world but at least its secure!
Many thanks in advance for all your help.
Not sure if this is the right section etc.
I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction or tell me if want im looking to achive is feasible.
Right here goes
I’m looking to buy some land to build a garage (approx quad size) to store my track car, + trailer etc, before any one ask this is strictly for private use only. I’m not concerned about running eleci or water as I’m planning on either getting a solar power system or a generator for those emergency, plus the fact I wont be there that often.
Now the tricky part, where do I find this land from? also do I need planning permission? if so what does that in tail? What are the costs for the above approx?
Also what the cost of building say a quad size garage approx? I was looking into getting containers and welding them to size as they are some companies which can do that, I know its not the best site in the world but at least its secure!
Many thanks in advance for all your help.
I had about £15,000k in mind?
whole point is the land should be cheap as you cant live on it?
I thought about approxing farmers but i wuldnt know where to start etc...
The local council can rent me enough land for what i want but i dont want to spend all my money just to be told they are going to use that area for housing hence if i bought the land its a much better long term investment.
whole point is the land should be cheap as you cant live on it?
I thought about approxing farmers but i wuldnt know where to start etc...
The local council can rent me enough land for what i want but i dont want to spend all my money just to be told they are going to use that area for housing hence if i bought the land its a much better long term investment.
Edited by b16a2_VTi on Sunday 19th December 12:28
b16a2_VTi said:
also do I need planning permission? if so what does that in tail?
Yes, you need Planning Permission; residential dwellings have what are called 'Permitted Development Rights', where you are allowed to do some stuff (including, potentially, building garages to serve them, provided you stick within certain rules), but if you build a garage off somewhere in isolation (rather than within the curtilage of the house it serves), then PD rights donlt apply and you will have to apply for full Planning Permission.I've never dealt with this specific circumstance before, but I suspect that they wouldn't let you use the simplified 'householder' application process, which means the paperwork would be very long winded and may well require the submission of a number of supporting technical reports (it would almost certainly require the submission of a Design and Access Statement, which is a written document detailing why you have designed what you have). They may also be reluctant to look upon it as being associated in any way to residential use and treat it as commercial/light industrial as well, if they are suspicious of your motives.
Best advice in terms of Planning, if you know the area you want to build in, is to drop into your local Planning department and discuss with the Planning Officer how they would approach it.
Sam_68 said:
(it would almost certainly require the submission of a Design and Access Statement, which is a written document detailing why you have designed what you have)
You probably couldn't get away with John Jessop's infamous design and access statement. I can't find the original document online at the moment, but here's the Telegraph's article:Telegraph said:
After being asked to fill in a “design access statement” for a storage shed on a small farm, he wrote: “The density is like on a farm, the social context is a farm in the country, the economic context is farming in the United Kingdom in 2008 (which is not very economic), the opportunities are to store equipment inside rather than the outside, the constraint is the planning system.”
“It is located where it is because it is in the most convenient place, being on the farm and near the farmhouse.”
Mr Jessop said he launched his attack on planning red tape after the planning and amenities department of Mendip District Council in Somerset sent him a lengthy form with what he saw as a serious of “silly” questions.
The document was to enable them to assess the impact the shed would have on the surrounding area.
Under “scale, appearance and landscaping”, Mr Jessop wrote: “The building is a single storey with the central section raised to allow for higher equipment.
“It can not be lower because nothing could be stored in it. It is not made any higher because that would be silly.
“It looks like a typical modern agricultural shed in a green profiled metal sheeting because that is what it is, and a great architect once said 'Buildings should look like what they are’.
“The applicant and previous occupants have spent a long time, probably more than a thousand years, making the countryside around the house look like farmland so that everyone can enjoy the pretty English countryside.”
Clearly warming to his theme, Mr Jessop’s reply to the “access” section reads: “There is an airport at Bristol which can be accessed by driving your tractor along the road.
“This gives direct access to warm sunny places all over the world. There is a bus service to North Wooton which allows people from the local towns to come and visit the proposed shed.
“The access from the road is level concrete and tarmac which is good for wheelchairs but the tractors may make it a bit muddy.
“This could cause difficulties for people so the design includes space for some brushes to sweep away the muck.”
Mr Jessop, of Carlisle Jessop Architects in Wells, Somerset, said: “Had the farm been just a little larger I wouldn’t have had to fill out a design access statement, as the farmer could've just built the shed and made a retrospective planning application.
“But this may take a couple of months to sort out - all for something as basic as a storage shed. It just seemed a little silly.
“The response I’ve had since has been incredible, architects from as far as Scotland, Wales, Birmingham and Manchester have contacted me to say 'good on you!’ and 'nice one’.
“One guy had even said he’d had my design access statement passed on to him from a friend in Vienna. I never realised it would cause such a stir, it was just a tongue-on-cheek attack on council red tape.”
Mendip District Council Development Services confirmed they received the application on March 18 and said the matter had yet to be determined.
A spokesman said: “There was no problem registering the statement because, believe it or not, it covered all the relevant criteria.
“As long as the architect answers all the relevant headings then it doesn’t really matter what the tone of the application is.”
“It is located where it is because it is in the most convenient place, being on the farm and near the farmhouse.”
Mr Jessop said he launched his attack on planning red tape after the planning and amenities department of Mendip District Council in Somerset sent him a lengthy form with what he saw as a serious of “silly” questions.
The document was to enable them to assess the impact the shed would have on the surrounding area.
Under “scale, appearance and landscaping”, Mr Jessop wrote: “The building is a single storey with the central section raised to allow for higher equipment.
“It can not be lower because nothing could be stored in it. It is not made any higher because that would be silly.
“It looks like a typical modern agricultural shed in a green profiled metal sheeting because that is what it is, and a great architect once said 'Buildings should look like what they are’.
“The applicant and previous occupants have spent a long time, probably more than a thousand years, making the countryside around the house look like farmland so that everyone can enjoy the pretty English countryside.”
Clearly warming to his theme, Mr Jessop’s reply to the “access” section reads: “There is an airport at Bristol which can be accessed by driving your tractor along the road.
“This gives direct access to warm sunny places all over the world. There is a bus service to North Wooton which allows people from the local towns to come and visit the proposed shed.
“The access from the road is level concrete and tarmac which is good for wheelchairs but the tractors may make it a bit muddy.
“This could cause difficulties for people so the design includes space for some brushes to sweep away the muck.”
Mr Jessop, of Carlisle Jessop Architects in Wells, Somerset, said: “Had the farm been just a little larger I wouldn’t have had to fill out a design access statement, as the farmer could've just built the shed and made a retrospective planning application.
“But this may take a couple of months to sort out - all for something as basic as a storage shed. It just seemed a little silly.
“The response I’ve had since has been incredible, architects from as far as Scotland, Wales, Birmingham and Manchester have contacted me to say 'good on you!’ and 'nice one’.
“One guy had even said he’d had my design access statement passed on to him from a friend in Vienna. I never realised it would cause such a stir, it was just a tongue-on-cheek attack on council red tape.”
Mendip District Council Development Services confirmed they received the application on March 18 and said the matter had yet to be determined.
A spokesman said: “There was no problem registering the statement because, believe it or not, it covered all the relevant criteria.
“As long as the architect answers all the relevant headings then it doesn’t really matter what the tone of the application is.”
cheers for the replies people.
Phib that is one dream garage
I shall be making appraovh to farmers in the new year. It would be far easier and cheaper if i used a trailer as the car is currently used on track, plus if i bin the car on track atleast i would be able to get home.
Will also be looking at auction sites only found a few so far, so if anyone has more sites that they would like to recomend please let me know.
This is a little bit of a long shot, where i live at the moement ive got a massive garden which i can covert into a driveway, but how does one go about building a double garage in the back garden i know that this would affect houses in the area and may look a little odd, i can speak to the local planning officer but what i dont want to do is file in a application for garage only to be told that i cant have cars in the back and im unable to build a driveway.
Thanks
Phib that is one dream garage
I shall be making appraovh to farmers in the new year. It would be far easier and cheaper if i used a trailer as the car is currently used on track, plus if i bin the car on track atleast i would be able to get home.
Will also be looking at auction sites only found a few so far, so if anyone has more sites that they would like to recomend please let me know.
This is a little bit of a long shot, where i live at the moement ive got a massive garden which i can covert into a driveway, but how does one go about building a double garage in the back garden i know that this would affect houses in the area and may look a little odd, i can speak to the local planning officer but what i dont want to do is file in a application for garage only to be told that i cant have cars in the back and im unable to build a driveway.
Thanks
Tuna said:
You probably couldn't get away with John Jessop's infamous design and access statement. I can't find the original document online at the moment...
Link hereIt's not far from me, so I keep meaning to go down and take some photos of the finished shed and its environs so that I can produce an illustrated version of this illustious document!
I've written some fairly sarcastic ones myself, over the years, the worst being to introduce a gate into a screen wall on a residential development, at the request of a prospective purchaser, which was insisted upon by Nottingham Council just after a central government directive had gone out warning LPA's of the risk of dealing with anything as a minor amendment (and PD rights don't come into being until a dwelling is occupied, of course). We now have a (relatively) sensible, rathionalised system for material and non-material minor amendments, so at least it's not quite that ridiculous these days!
b16a2_VTi said:
cheers for the replies people.
Phib that is one dream garage
I shall be making appraovh to farmers in the new year. It would be far easier and cheaper if i used a trailer as the car is currently used on track, plus if i bin the car on track atleast i would be able to get home.
Will also be looking at auction sites only found a few so far, so if anyone has more sites that they would like to recomend please let me know.
This is a little bit of a long shot, where i live at the moement ive got a massive garden which i can covert into a driveway, but how does one go about building a double garage in the back garden i know that this would affect houses in the area and may look a little odd, i can speak to the local planning officer but what i dont want to do is file in a application for garage only to be told that i cant have cars in the back and im unable to build a driveway.
Thanks
In that case easy, you dont need planning permission to put it in your rear garden, as long as it is not above a certain height or within a meter of the boundary (i think).Phib that is one dream garage
I shall be making appraovh to farmers in the new year. It would be far easier and cheaper if i used a trailer as the car is currently used on track, plus if i bin the car on track atleast i would be able to get home.
Will also be looking at auction sites only found a few so far, so if anyone has more sites that they would like to recomend please let me know.
This is a little bit of a long shot, where i live at the moement ive got a massive garden which i can covert into a driveway, but how does one go about building a double garage in the back garden i know that this would affect houses in the area and may look a little odd, i can speak to the local planning officer but what i dont want to do is file in a application for garage only to be told that i cant have cars in the back and im unable to build a driveway.
Thanks
you can develop up to 2/3 of your rear garden as long as it is associated to the main house.
Or something like this anyway, by all means speak to the planning officer as he will let you know the exact rules, but if you can fit it in your rear garden, and the missus is happy, then that would be your best bet, will cost all of your 15k to build though!
b16a2_VTi said:
This is a little bit of a long shot, where i live at the moement ive got a massive garden which i can covert into a driveway, but how does one go about building a double garage in the back garden i know that this would affect houses in the area and may look a little odd, i can speak to the local planning officer but what i dont want to do is file in a application for garage only to be told that i cant have cars in the back and im unable to build a driveway.
Thanks
You shouldn't need planning providing you stick within the guidelines on the planning website.Thanks
Here is the guide lines taken from their site :
PlanningPortal said:
Outbuildings
Planning Permission
Rules governing outbuildings apply to sheds, greenhouses and garages as well as other ancillary garden buildings such as swimming pools, ponds, sauna cabins, kennels, enclosures (including tennis courts) and many other kinds of structure for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse.
Outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions:
No outbuilding on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation.
Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched roof or three metres for any other roof.
Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
No verandas, balconies or raised platforms.
No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings.
In National Parks, the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites the maximum area to be covered by buildings, enclosures, containers and pools more than 20 metres from house to be limited to 10 square metres.
On designated land* buildings, enclosures, containers and pools at the side of properties will require planning permission.
Within the curtilage of listed buildings any outbuilding will require planning permission.
Planning Permission
Rules governing outbuildings apply to sheds, greenhouses and garages as well as other ancillary garden buildings such as swimming pools, ponds, sauna cabins, kennels, enclosures (including tennis courts) and many other kinds of structure for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse.
Outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions:
No outbuilding on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation.
Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched roof or three metres for any other roof.
Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
No verandas, balconies or raised platforms.
No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings.
In National Parks, the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites the maximum area to be covered by buildings, enclosures, containers and pools more than 20 metres from house to be limited to 10 square metres.
On designated land* buildings, enclosures, containers and pools at the side of properties will require planning permission.
Within the curtilage of listed buildings any outbuilding will require planning permission.
- The term "original house" means the house as it was first built or as it stood on 1 July 1948 (if it was built before that date). Although you may not have built an extension to the house, a previous owner may have done so.
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