Would you be more or less likely to buy a TVR.....
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I think I'd be more impressed if they could fit seatbelts that work a little better 
old Chimaera owner speaking, are they much better in the new models You know the sort of thing, oh sorry you can't pull the seat belt out as we're on a hill, oh sorry you can't lean forward the tensioners have kicked in, etc, etc.....
A very well developed (read doesn't swith on at the faintest hit of 'fun') and completley switch-off-able traction control would be nice
old Chimaera owner speaking, are they much better in the new models You know the sort of thing, oh sorry you can't pull the seat belt out as we're on a hill, oh sorry you can't lean forward the tensioners have kicked in, etc, etc..... A very well developed (read doesn't swith on at the faintest hit of 'fun') and completley switch-off-able traction control would be nice
N17 TVR said:
What sort of stuff is fitted to Ferraris, 911's etc, we are in their space when judged on performance, so wht is good for the goose should be applicable to the gander....(apologies for geese anology)
Current Road Ferraris and 911s all have ABS and airbags.
The 360 and 550/575 have a switchoffable traction control system. The C2 2WD 911 can be ordered with PSM traction control system as a cost option, this is not available on the track biased GT3 or GT2 models though. All 4WD 911s come with the PSM traction system as standard.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Tuesday 20th April 12:39
I dont think it would make any difference to me either way. To be honest, for what money I have to spend on a "fun car" I wouldnt be able to afford one with ABS or airbags anyway.... say £10k-£15k doesnt buy a new enough Porsche or Ferrari to have either, and anything else around that price doesnt either - like an Elise or equivalent.
Only a dull old saloon or equivalent would have something like that and thats not what I call a "fun car".....
So to answer the question again - no, no difference to me.
Only a dull old saloon or equivalent would have something like that and thats not what I call a "fun car".....
So to answer the question again - no, no difference to me.
It wouldn't sway me.
I tend to prefer my technology to be relatively simple, no bells and whistles, frills, flashing lights or graphic equalisers. So I like it when what I want is all I'm paying for.
Might like a/c on my next TVR - maybe...
You see I reckon being comfortable and therefore able to concentrate at a higher level is a more important factor in a vehicle. But then I have had 20+ years as a motorcylist. Sampled ABS on a couple of BMWs and could take it or leave it. Quite fun when it locks up, but I'd rather not be in that situation thanks!
I tend to prefer my technology to be relatively simple, no bells and whistles, frills, flashing lights or graphic equalisers. So I like it when what I want is all I'm paying for.
Might like a/c on my next TVR - maybe...
You see I reckon being comfortable and therefore able to concentrate at a higher level is a more important factor in a vehicle. But then I have had 20+ years as a motorcylist. Sampled ABS on a couple of BMWs and could take it or leave it. Quite fun when it locks up, but I'd rather not be in that situation thanks!
TBH air bags and ABS wouldn't make that much difference to me (neither of my two cars have either, although the daily driver Citroën ZX will be replaced by a new MINI as per next Saturday) but I would feel more comfortable with TVR's featuring a somewhat more modern aluminium 'tub' construction a la Lotus/Morgan Aero 8/Aston Martin. I accept the tubular frame structure is very strong in se, and can see PW's point about it being a better base for an open car than a decapitated saloon car unitary steel construction (see lots of banana shaped convertibles after crashes) but frankly, a couple of outriggers aren't going to give very good side impact protection, where all it took for Spyker to get better lateral protectino than most cars equipped with side airbags was an extra aluminium profile on the sills and some high tech foam.
Oh, and better stability under braking (brake balance, rear dampers) would be much preferable to just sticking ABS to the cars, as-is, as far as I'm concerned.
>> Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 20th April 13:07
Oh, and better stability under braking (brake balance, rear dampers) would be much preferable to just sticking ABS to the cars, as-is, as far as I'm concerned.
>> Edited by 900T-R on Tuesday 20th April 13:07
I accept that I might attract something of a flaming here 
but playing devil's advocate, would you really be confident in ABS and airbags as supplied by TVR?
Given the amount of electrical gremlins reported here, and the time TVRs spend in dealers having niggles fixed, how much more grief would these new fangled pieces of technology bring?
I see a whole new area of TADTS and common problems:
- TVRs recovered with all four wheels locked due to ABS failure.
- airbags deployed when the driver sneezes.
but playing devil's advocate, would you really be confident in ABS and airbags as supplied by TVR? Given the amount of electrical gremlins reported here, and the time TVRs spend in dealers having niggles fixed, how much more grief would these new fangled pieces of technology bring?
I see a whole new area of TADTS and common problems:
- TVRs recovered with all four wheels locked due to ABS failure.
- airbags deployed when the driver sneezes.
TBH seeing the kind of trouble everyone around me has with the electronics on their new cars, I accept the stuff on my car as long as it's a company lease and I get a decent courtesy car every time something needs to be re-set by the dealer. For a weekend toy like a TVR, don't bother. I'd like them to concentrate on structural integrity, build quality and chassis development instead...
1. I think if it was possible to select ABS and Airbags as options when ordering a lot more people would be interested in buying TVRs.
2. However, the cost of developing these systems would raise the cost of all TVRs to a level where they might just go and buy another soports car instead.
3. There must be a lot of people that like TVRs for their performance/£. That really cant be beaten at the moment.
I would just like to see TVR do what ever is safest. If that means no ABS or Airbags then so be it.
2. However, the cost of developing these systems would raise the cost of all TVRs to a level where they might just go and buy another soports car instead.
3. There must be a lot of people that like TVRs for their performance/£. That really cant be beaten at the moment.
I would just like to see TVR do what ever is safest. If that means no ABS or Airbags then so be it.
DustyC said:
1. I think if it was possible to select ABS and Airbags as options when ordering a lot more people would be interested in buying TVRs.
2. However, the cost of developing these systems would raise the cost of all TVRs to a level where they might just go and buy another soports car instead.
3. There must be a lot of people that like TVRs for their performance/£. That really cant be beaten at the moment.
I would just like to see TVR do what ever is safest. If that means no ABS or Airbags then so be it.
Couldn`t this technology be brought in from outside to some degree though?
TVRs are fine as they are.
Having traction control would certainly help me to drive faster - but then I would probably need ABS to help me stop faster - and a airbag just in case.
Having no driver aids teaches you to respect your own limitations and the car's limitations which in my opinion makes TVRs safe cars.
As regards the other numpty road users, keep your distance from them and you'll be OK!
Having traction control would certainly help me to drive faster - but then I would probably need ABS to help me stop faster - and a airbag just in case.
Having no driver aids teaches you to respect your own limitations and the car's limitations which in my opinion makes TVRs safe cars.
As regards the other numpty road users, keep your distance from them and you'll be OK!
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