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aycee said:
I like cars that few others have.
Are they trouble?
Moi aussi. Last year when I was going to buy one, I couldn't find a single person who had anything positive to say about owning one. They are unreliable but the issues seem to generally be minor electric faults.Are they trouble?
I think they are beautiful and there isn't much on the planet that can touch the performance figures.
andrew said:
diablo_pete said:
I couldn't find a single person who had anything positive to say about owning one.
is that because people hide from you, or because they don't want you lowering the brand ?Andrew,can you hand the keyboard over to Nicky, she's much nicer.
diablo_pete said:
andrew said:
diablo_pete said:
I couldn't find a single person who had anything positive to say about owning one.
is that because people hide from you, or because they don't want you lowering the brand ?Andrew,can you hand the keyboard over to Nicky, she's much nicer.
very few
ive been in one and he was giving it big beans...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2335531.htm few for sale one might be ex hire car
ive been in one and he was giving it big beans...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2335531.htm few for sale one might be ex hire car
If you are seriously in the market for one then you should just pick up the phone to Kristian and go over for a personal demo/factory tour, he will answer all your questions.
The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
nyxster said:
If you are seriously in the market for one then you should just pick up the phone to Kristian and go over for a personal demo/factory tour, he will answer all your questions.
The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
Rio has not owned the CC8s for a long time - it went up for sale and, when it finally did sell, it was put back up for sale within a month or so. The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
Saywell, iirc, owned the ex-Rio CC8s, ex-Shoebag CCR and now has a blue CCX.
Like the ex-Rio car, the green CCR has been up for sale for a LONG time. From what I understand, Koenigseggs are fairly difficult to sell on.
I know someone who owns a CCX that loves the car. His view is basically that it is a subtle alternative to an Enzo or Bugatti. When he owned the other two cars he could not drive them without attracting ridiculous attentions whereas not many people know what the CCX[/footnote]
Edited by cc8s on Tuesday 28th December 18:27
I've tested a CC8 and a CCX. Thought they were fairly easy to drive, and a lot of fun. I particularly liked the Targa roof aspect. However the build quality felt very average and dispite very low mileage cars they seemed fragile.
There are two big downsides to me:
1) The engine sounds totally underwhelming, not what I'd expect of a car of this stature.
2) Residuals are horrible and reflect a concern (in my belief) that the manufacturer is a short journey from oblivion.
I'd guess many have the similar concerns about the Zonda and what might follow it, especially given the endless 'last of line' limited editions. I'm sure supporters would suggest that Pagani are just catering for demand - but my perception would be an inability to 'move the game forward'.
There are two big downsides to me:
1) The engine sounds totally underwhelming, not what I'd expect of a car of this stature.
2) Residuals are horrible and reflect a concern (in my belief) that the manufacturer is a short journey from oblivion.
I'd guess many have the similar concerns about the Zonda and what might follow it, especially given the endless 'last of line' limited editions. I'm sure supporters would suggest that Pagani are just catering for demand - but my perception would be an inability to 'move the game forward'.
TurboTerrific9 said:
I've tested a CC8 and a CCX. Thought they were fairly easy to drive, and a lot of fun. I particularly liked the Targa roof aspect. However the build quality felt very average and dispite very low mileage cars they seemed fragile.
There are two big downsides to me:
1) The engine sounds totally underwhelming, not what I'd expect of a car of this stature.
2) Residuals are horrible and reflect a concern (in my belief) that the manufacturer is a short journey from oblivion.
I'd guess many have the similar concerns about the Zonda and what might follow it, especially given the endless 'last of line' limited editions. I'm sure supporters would suggest that Pagani are just catering for demand - but my perception would be an inability to 'move the game forward'.
re: #1 The egine of the egg I was in sounded totally mental...just sayin'There are two big downsides to me:
1) The engine sounds totally underwhelming, not what I'd expect of a car of this stature.
2) Residuals are horrible and reflect a concern (in my belief) that the manufacturer is a short journey from oblivion.
I'd guess many have the similar concerns about the Zonda and what might follow it, especially given the endless 'last of line' limited editions. I'm sure supporters would suggest that Pagani are just catering for demand - but my perception would be an inability to 'move the game forward'.
Everything I have read about them seems to signal that they are unreliable.
There’s one local which happens to be for sale, although I have not seen the car being driven, I know of the owner and his driving mentality - My guess would be that the orange one has been driven VERY hard, its also been wrapped so the paint may require a thorough going over before any purchase.
By all accounts said person hasn’t had the ‘Egg long, maybe for a reason…
There’s one local which happens to be for sale, although I have not seen the car being driven, I know of the owner and his driving mentality - My guess would be that the orange one has been driven VERY hard, its also been wrapped so the paint may require a thorough going over before any purchase.
By all accounts said person hasn’t had the ‘Egg long, maybe for a reason…
Tuvra said:
My guess would be that the orange one has been driven VERY hard, its also been wrapped so the paint may require a thorough going over before any purchase.
There are 2 orange CCRs in the UK. Onw with orange interior, the other black. The Orange/black one was wrapped matt grey last year just to do a single track day.Tuvra said:
Everything I have read about them seems to signal that they are unreliable.
There’s one local which happens to be for sale, although I have not seen the car being driven, I know of the owner and his driving mentality - My guess would be that the orange one has been driven VERY hard, its also been wrapped so the paint may require a thorough going over before any purchase.
By all accounts said person hasn’t had the ‘Egg long, maybe for a reason…
Are you refering to Mr GE?, if so i've heard of his Driving Mentality too There’s one local which happens to be for sale, although I have not seen the car being driven, I know of the owner and his driving mentality - My guess would be that the orange one has been driven VERY hard, its also been wrapped so the paint may require a thorough going over before any purchase.
By all accounts said person hasn’t had the ‘Egg long, maybe for a reason…
.aycee said:
Reliability seems to crop up a bit.Is it electrical?
I am drawn to the older ones.I dont care how fast they go.They seem more basic to me with a brought in gearbox and ford engine with a blower.I have the impression they arent too complicated.
You are proabably referring to the dark blue ex rio car now belonging to Phil Stebbings, as there are very few CC8s in the world (only 2 haven't been upgraded as according to my info).I am drawn to the older ones.I dont care how fast they go.They seem more basic to me with a brought in gearbox and ford engine with a blower.I have the impression they arent too complicated.
I think the level of sospistication is pretty similar in all cases really. I wouldn't expect lower bills necessarily.
diablo_pete said:
aycee said:
Reliability seems to crop up a bit.Is it electrical?
I am drawn to the older ones.I dont care how fast they go.They seem more basic to me with a brought in gearbox and ford engine with a blower.I have the impression they arent too complicated.
You are proabably referring to the dark blue ex rio car now belonging to Phil Stebbings, as there are very few CC8s in the world (only 2 haven't been upgraded as according to my info).I am drawn to the older ones.I dont care how fast they go.They seem more basic to me with a brought in gearbox and ford engine with a blower.I have the impression they arent too complicated.
I think the level of sospistication is pretty similar in all cases really. I wouldn't expect lower bills necessarily.
cc8s said:
nyxster said:
If you are seriously in the market for one then you should just pick up the phone to Kristian and go over for a personal demo/factory tour, he will answer all your questions.
The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
Rio has not owned the CC8s for a long time - it went up for sale and, when it finally did sell, it was put back up for sale within a month or so. The only (genuine) owners I can think of are Rio Prestige who owned a CC8, the AOC guy who runs that aircraft parts business who owns(owned) at least 2 of them and the guy at Slades garage in Penn who had one on SOR for a couple of years for a big collector down there, the Qatar owners of harrods who own a CCXR, I also met a bloke in Norway who had a CCX and a russian in Monte Carlo who had a CCR. This is not the sort of car your average joe owns, and the sort of people who own them probably have better things to do than hang around internet forums
Saywell, iirc, owned the ex-Rio CC8s, ex-Shoebag CCR and now has a blue CCX.
Like the ex-Rio car, the green CCR has been up for sale for a LONG time. From what I understand, Koenigseggs are fairly difficult to sell on.
The Green CCR failed to sell at Coys last year, and again has been up for sale for a while with Bob Forstner.
Peter Saywell has a blue CCX, and there is also a grey CCX in Scotland I think. He did previously own both Rio's CC8 and the green CCR.
I looked (well still am) at the Green CCR at Bob Forstner. I thought build quality was as good as the LP640 I have, although have not yet test drove it. I did some digging and also got horror stories of minor electrical problems from a friend of the previous owner, but with a little consideration they were no more than any small volume supercar. After then speaking to a friend who owns a 'egg' service centre he has assured me they are no more unreliable or expensive to service than Lambo'
I am still 50/50 whether to go for it as it does seem you have to buy one with a long term view to ownership........Hmmmm...good luck.
Neil
I am still 50/50 whether to go for it as it does seem you have to buy one with a long term view to ownership........Hmmmm...good luck.
Neil
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