anyone else screwed by dream machines!!
anyone else screwed by dream machines!!
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dave tvr

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241 posts

229 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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was anyone else screwed by the closure of dream machines a while back? my report from the liquidaters says there was quite a few people who like myself lost money. yes i admit i went to them and went for the good old sale or return, i lived in a flat and lost my parking space for my cerb ( long story ) so needed to get rid of the car quickly. anyway , much money paid to soliciters and lots of whiskey drank, the cerb was lost and i had to pay off the finance !! and 'there was nothing i could do' said my expensive soliciter! just wondered if anyone else out there was in the same boat ??

D14 AYS

3,696 posts

239 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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Yes there are quite a few on here who suffered the same fate as you, big thread around somewhere, really don't know how the parasite got away with it to be honest, If I recall he still trades from the same building as something else now rage you couldn't make it up rage

Davel

8,982 posts

287 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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A silly question probably but, if it was with them on sale or return, don't you still have title to the cars?

Sounds like you've all been treated very badly by the liquidator.

D14 AYS

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shpub

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301 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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A similar thing happened to me about 10 years ago when Team Central went belly up. They sold my car on and the money disappeared. The new buyer bought it using finance from another company. That finance company were legally obliged to ensure that the original finance was paid off so that they could have free title. They didn't and so my finance company went after them and they ended up clearing the finance.

Worth checking to see if your car has been refinanced because if it has, you may be able to reclaim the finance from them as they don't have title.

If you have cleared the original finance, then you have title to the car not the current owner or finance company.

BTW my finance company actually advised me on this route. They had to threaten them with legal action though but it got sorted.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,007 posts

264 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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Absolutely no help to you now, but it might help others in future.

The one time I sold a car on sale or return I took an extension to my insurance which covered the scenario you are describing. It cost peanuts & gave me some peace of mind.


Oggs

8,817 posts

283 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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Davel said:
Sounds like you've all been treated very badly by the liquidator.
nono I don't think they have smile
DM are s smile

dave tvr

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241 posts

229 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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it still makes my blood boil when i think back to it all, thanks for the coments, if anyone does see tony waite around, well you know what to do!! and i'm definatly going past the old shop to see if he is still there but i think it was all reposesed.

James P

3,036 posts

266 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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OP: sorry that you are one of the people affected by the failure of Dream Machines. I take it that you have received our report. I agree that it is not a happy situation but we have dealt with the position presented to us. If I can provide any more information, please contact me - details on the report.

Davel: have you been affected by the liquidation? If you have been and have any comments about my conduct as joint liquidator, please contact me so that your concerns can be addressed. If not, I suggest that there has already been enough speculation about events prior to the insolvency of the company.

As I have said before, I am more than happy to deal with any concerns of people affected by the failure of the company.

dave tvr

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241 posts

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Sunday 2nd January 2011
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D14 AYS said:
thanks for that, i had a good read, at least i wasnt the only one.

ncs

3,974 posts

311 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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We drove past DMs old place last week & it was empty so I would say if he was trading from there a while ago he certainly isnt now.

Nicknerd

dave tvr

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241 posts

229 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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James P said:
OP: sorry that you are one of the people affected by the failure of Dream Machines. I take it that you have received our report. I agree that it is not a happy situation but we have dealt with the position presented to us. If I can provide any more information, please contact me - details on the report.

Davel: have you been affected by the liquidation? If you have been and have any comments about my conduct as joint liquidator, please contact me so that your concerns can be addressed. If not, I suggest that there has already been enough speculation about events prior to the insolvency of the company.

As I have said before, I am more than happy to deal with any concerns of people affected by the failure of the company.
davel does have a point, but again a point that know one seems to know the answer to. too many holes in our law i think. thanks to you both for some input to the situation. yes i have the latest report from you. nice to know that you are a PH though. any future information would be great,
my sundays have never been the same since that car went !!

James P

3,036 posts

266 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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I cannot comment on who has title to customers cars. It is a complex area and I can only recommend people to take their own advice as they see fit.

The law is there, whether it is sufficient or easily accessed is another question, one that would be very difficult to answer as you would have to consider what resources the taxpayer would want to commit to the issue.

Davel has not yet replied so I will give him time to say why he feels that we have somehow "failed" the creditors in this case.

dave tvr

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229 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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ncs said:
We drove past DMs old place last week & it was empty so I would say if he was trading from there a while ago he certainly isnt now.

Nicknerd
thanks nick, saved me a journey, think i meet you once in new barn, i'm a freind of kev north.

richtvr

467 posts

255 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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a v888 form will give you current owner details, also you can see if the car is insured on the mid data base as to weather or not it's on the road

rich

dave tvr

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Sunday 2nd January 2011
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richtvr said:
a v888 form will give you current owner details, also you can see if the car is insured on the mid data base as to weather or not it's on the road

rich
i did recieve the new owners address with all the information my soliciter obtained, i had been tempted to drive past there, maybe i should, and just take the car back, apparently you can do what you want with other peoples property these days!

D14 AYS

3,696 posts

239 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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dave tvr said:
richtvr said:
a v888 form will give you current owner details, also you can see if the car is insured on the mid data base as to weather or not it's on the road

rich
i did recieve the new owners address with all the information my soliciter obtained, i had been tempted to drive past there, maybe i should, and just take the car back, apparently you can do what you want with other peoples property these days!
Would that be legal? As that is exactly what I would do.

richtvr

467 posts

255 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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its a grey area, i have heard of someone who was in the same position and got there car back. but just don't damage property in the process.

i know for sure if it was my car in question i would go and get it back!

rich

slideways

4,101 posts

250 months

Sunday 2nd January 2011
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If you buy a car that was stolen the police will take it and give it back to the rightful owner,
OK the new owner looses out but someone will inevitably loose why should it be the original owner?
And why the hell is the Thieving git at DM not inside chasing soap around the shower room floor right now? or at the very least picking up his teeth with broken fingers

kwosimodo

56 posts

219 months

Monday 3rd January 2011
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The car wasnt stolen,you had a contract with DM to sell the car,it was legal for them to sell the car. It was legal for the buyer to buy the car and they are therefore the rightful owner, you have no claim on the car.Its not the new owners fault or problem.

The bit that failed was passing the funds to yourself because they declared bankruptsy. You have to deal with the administraters along with whoever other crediters are on the list for a percentage of his assets(which would include your funds),if no assets then no payout.

I would take some advice,you might be able to take a civil action .....