What happens to your points after a ban?

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I was chatting to my Dad earlier about speeding points, scameras and driving bans etc. Although both of us only have the standard issue "I drive more than 20 miles a year" collection of 3 points each, we were wondering what happens to your points collection once you get a ban under the totting up procedure?

Imagine a driver's licence going from clean to 3 pts, then 6, 9 and 12. Say you get a 2 month ban as result. What happens after these 2 months are up and you get your licence back? Let's say you've not learnt your lesson and you get another set of 3 points for doing a county-wide child-killing 82 mph in a 70 - Have you now only got 3 points or have you got 15 because the others have yet to expire? Does this mean you're banned again (ie exceeding 12 points) or do you hold onto your licence until you hit 24 ?

Apologies if this has been asked and explained before....

[mrs fish]

Interesting thought, I hadn't thought about it before.

Will be waiting for the answer

[Dwight VanDriver]

Road Traffic Act 1991 (Commencement 4 and Transitional Provisions)Order 1992

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An order for disqualification has in the past had the effect of removing all penalty points from a person's licence. Furthermore, in most cases the person concerned could obtain a licence free of endorsements at the end of the period of disqualification. In future, only disqualifications under the totting up rules will have those effects.

DVD

>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 23 April 08:45

[stooz]

I assume this isnt the same for drunk in charge bans?

[xxplod]

No. An excess alcohol ban is very different to one gained for totting up. Incidentally, the ban after hitting 12 points is a mandatory 6 months.

With e.g. a 12 month ban for Drink Drive, is often just that. No points go on the licence, but the licence is certainly endorsed with a 'DD' code to signify the drink-drive conviction. You have to wait 10 years before the endorsement can be removed by the DVLC, unlike a speeder which can be taken off the licence after 4 (Although as with all points - they are only "live" for 3 years).

I'm not 100% certain whether COurts actually put points on the licence for a Drink Drive? Can you help DVD?

[Shnozz]

a friend of mine positively wished for a short ban after he was caught doing a high speed. It was in his view better for him to lose his licence for a month and not have the points than be given 6 - 9 points.

Any idea on the insurers stance on a ban & 0 points as against 9 points?

[stooz]

the DD sign stays on your licence for 10 years, but insurance firms ask for "convictions" upto 5 years.. so therefore you don't need to declare a DD after 5

or am I wrong? (its for a friend,- not me- honest!)

[Dwight VanDriver]

xxplod

>>>>>>I'm not 100% certain whether COurts actually put points on the licence for a Drink Drive? Can you help DVD?<<<<<<<<<

Driving over prescribed limit leads to an automatic ban of at least 1 year. No points awared. BUT if Court accepts Special reasons for not disqualifying then they can award between 3 - 11 points onto the licence and these can be used under the totting up procedure.

DVD

[andoverben]

xxplod said:

the ban after hitting 12 points is a mandatory 6 months.

My boss was banned 3 days ago because of accumulating 12 points, He was given 6 weeks and a £500 fine however at the end of the ban he will have 9 points as opposed to a clean licence so he has to be very carefull for a while.

Maybe there are circumstances that mean they can impose different bans, The company hired a Barister and the MD wrote a letter saying it would be a pain in the arse for the company if he lost his licence etc.

Stupidly every one of his offences were for doing between 85 and 95 (on a dual carriageway/motorway - not passed a school or anything obviously) Just very very unlucky.

[cortinaman]

andoverben said:

My boss was banned 3 days ago because of accumulating 12 points, He was given 6 weeks and a £500 fine however at the end of the ban he will have 9 points as opposed to a clean licence so he has to be very carefull for a while.

i'd have taken the ban myself.

[victormeldrew]

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[mcflurry]

stooz said:

the DD sign stays on your licence for 10 years, but insurance firms ask for "convictions" upto 5 years.. so therefore you don't need to declare a DD after 5 or am I wrong? (its for a friend,- not me- honest!)

I have a friend who was caught 3 times for DD. BTW he is a recovering alkie and in recovery for 3 years.
After filling in the paperwork he got his licence back last year. The insurance company did not care about the conviction as it was dated as 1992. His premium on a 5 year old saloon is about £600 so not a million miles off unreasonable.

[jamescarter1981]

If you're banned from totting up points then when you get your licence back, it'll be clean

[andoverben]

jamescarter1981 said:

If you're banned from totting up points then when you get your licence back, it'll be clean

Does this mean then he was banned for the offence he was going to get the last 3 points for ie. doing 88 on an nsl dual carriageway. Because he was definately told that there would still be 9 points on his licence when it came back - maybe they were trying to scam him, I think at the time he was quite pleased it wasn't longer