French burgers
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Sour Kraut

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Thursday 20th January 2011
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Handmade burgers in France appear to be made from steak which has been subjected to a coarser grade of cut. It looks like little chips or slithers of meat rather than the mush which is English mince.

Can anyone direct me towards a machine which will deal with a steak in this way or is it something as simple as a particular fitment to a conventional mincer? (fnarr)

Shaw Tarse

31,900 posts

233 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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A sharp knife?

davepoth

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229 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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HTH.

Kermit power

29,622 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Horse meat is more expensive than beef for the equivalent cut. You won't therefore be served it masquerading as beef.

blueg33

46,794 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Mince into food processor, quick whiz and you have steak hache. Longer whiz and you have typical english burger density.

The french steak hache has fewer additive than british style burgers which have bread crumbs, onions and your chemistry set

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

217 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.

Sour Kraut

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45,899 posts

219 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.

blueg33

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254 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
Do it earlier and refrigerate it into shape!

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

217 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
I'd assumed home-made as you hadn't been specific. A little egg ought to assist, maybe some breadcrumbs.

Sour Kraut

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45,899 posts

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Thursday 20th January 2011
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blueg33 said:
Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
Do it earlier and refrigerate it into shape!
I'm a bit concerned that if the meat is 'minced' and then set aside (even if refrigerated) that they'll then need to be cooked right through rather than having the option to cook them medium or rare if freshly prepared.

Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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Sour Kraut said:
blueg33 said:
Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
Do it earlier and refrigerate it into shape!
I'm a bit concerned that if the meat is 'minced' and then set aside (even if refrigerated) that they'll then need to be cooked right through rather than having the option to cook them medium or rare if freshly prepared.
why?

Mobile Chicane

22,023 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th January 2011
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A 'Hackfleisch' mincer.

£25 from Divertimenti on Wigmore Street (or at least mine was).

Sour Kraut

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Friday 21st January 2011
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Pothole said:
Sour Kraut said:
blueg33 said:
Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
Do it earlier and refrigerate it into shape!
I'm a bit concerned that if the meat is 'minced' and then set aside (even if refrigerated) that they'll then need to be cooked right through rather than having the option to cook them medium or rare if freshly prepared.
why?
Because of the way bacteria forms on minced meat.

Sour Kraut

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45,899 posts

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Friday 21st January 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:
A 'Hackfleisch' mincer.

£25 from Divertimenti on Wigmore Street (or at least mine was).
Thanks MC.

Is it one of these?

petemurphy

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213 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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welcome to ecoli

blueg33

46,794 posts

254 months

Friday 21st January 2011
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Sour Kraut said:
blueg33 said:
Sour Kraut said:
Pferdestarke said:
As stated above, do it manually with a sharp knife. Buy a lump of rump, skirt etc and get chopping.
Is that feasible in a busy commercial kitchen environment though? I was hoping to just drop a 5oz steak into a machine and the required mass come out the other end.


On an associated note, how do you hold that kind of 'chopped meat' together, beefburger-stylee? Not enough time to refrigerate it into shape.
Do it earlier and refrigerate it into shape!
I'm a bit concerned that if the meat is 'minced' and then set aside (even if refrigerated) that they'll then need to be cooked right through rather than having the option to cook them medium or rare if freshly prepared.
That is the way the french make them and they have them quite rare. I think its a higher risk with bought mince rather than meat you have minced yourself.

A bit of egg can hold it together, but as soon as you add breadcrumbs you have made an english style burger