Roll Cage?

[Mr Fix It]

Do cerbera's have an integral role cage? Most of the pictures I have seen for the body off revamp work, shows a relatively flat/low tubular structure. However, many years ago when I test drove a Cerbera, Im sure there was a thick A pillar and what may have been a upholstered bar across the top of the front windscreem and another thick area which may have been a "bar" running along the top of the driver/passenger window - hit my head on it and the car sales man said it was hiding a roll cage!

Partly wondered how safe the car is from an impact/roll point of view. I also seem to remember seeing a photo of a Cerbera's door with the skin removed and there was 2 or so heavy looking tubes with a zig-zag reinforcing tube structure between them - impact bars?

cheers for any info from all your restorers out there who may have seen these structures when stripping back the car!

Cheers
Dave

[itiejim]

Yes there are side impact bars and the roll cage you describe. I'm not sure how effective they would be but must be better that nothing!

[Luckyone]

Yes they do, much as you describe. It bolts down through the outriggers at the A & B pillars. Not sure how effective it is, hope not to find out! But it’s got to be better than not having anything?

Edit – doh x2 there James!

Edited by Luckyone on Sunday 23 January 20:21

[tejr]

I saw an ad on another forum once claiming the Cerbie roll cage was FIA approved! Always been a bit skeptical of that claim and a bit of googling didn't really reveal much on it.

[Flashheart]

I have a pdf file of when 5 blokes from Cranfield University did a study on the Cerbera chassis. No idea where I got it from, it was years ago, but if someone could tell me how to make it available for everyone to download it's worth a quick read - if you're interested in that sort of thing

[Mr Fix It]

Hi, If you email it to me I may be able to do it. I think it may be possible to upload it to a web site such as PhotoBucket or other web upload sites. My email is [e-mail]. Never tried it with a PDF, but would probably work.

[Flashheart]

On it's way.

[jammy_basturd]

Hi Flashheart, have emailed you!

[teamHOLDENracing]

tejr said:

I saw an ad on another forum once claiming the Cerbie roll cage was FIA approved! Always been a bit skeptical of that claim and a bit of googling didn't really reveal much on it.

Categorically not FIA standard - or anything close to it I'm afraid

[Byker28i]

There was a photo of the tree that fell onto a Cerbera in a storm. OK crushed the car but didn't the roll bar stand up reasonably well?

[touching cloth]

It's attached at the front to the chassis but as far as I recall the rear isn't really attached to anything. Still I am sure it's better than nowt and I feel more secure in the Cerb than my old Chim.

[Alistair H.]

A fair few years ago now, I saw a Cerbie do a huge roll and land upside on its roof at a track day at Oulton Park.

Everything stayed remarkably intact. Apart from the occupants trousers no doubt. I dont think cloth would have helped!

[jammy_basturd]

Alistair H. said:

A fair few years ago now, I saw a Cerbie do a huge roll and land upside on its roof at a track day at Oulton Park.

Everything stayed remarkably intact. Apart from the occupants trousers no doubt. I dont think cloth would have helped!

Phew, thank god I have full leather in mine.

[Gazzab]

jammy_basturd said:

Alistair H. said:

A fair few years ago now, I saw a Cerbie do a huge roll and land upside on its roof at a track day at Oulton Park.

Everything stayed remarkably intact. Apart from the occupants trousers no doubt. I dont think cloth would have helped!

Phew, thank god I have full leather in mine.

You wear leather underpants?

[dbv8]

Gazzab said:

jammy_basturd said:

Alistair H. said:

A fair few years ago now, I saw a Cerbie do a huge roll and land upside on its roof at a track day at Oulton Park.

Everything stayed remarkably intact. Apart from the occupants trousers no doubt. I dont think cloth would have helped!

Phew, thank god I have full leather in mine.

You wear leather underpants?

I thought that was more of a Griff driver thing

[GT4 Baz]

Has anyone had any luck in uploading the PDF anywhere yet? I'd quite like to have a read of the university report

[jammy_basturd]

Gazzab said:

jammy_basturd said:

Alistair H. said:

A fair few years ago now, I saw a Cerbie do a huge roll and land upside on its roof at a track day at Oulton Park.

Everything stayed remarkably intact. Apart from the occupants trousers no doubt. I dont think cloth would have helped!

Phew, thank god I have full leather in mine.

You wear leather underpants?

Course not! That would be wrong.

I go commando and wear leather trousers!

www.thetvrsite.com/files/Cerbera-Chassis-Analysis....

[BCA]

touching cloth said:

It's attached at the front to the chassis but as far as I recall the rear isn't really attached to anything. Still I am sure it's better than nowt and I feel more secure in the Cerb than my old Chim.

Truth, it will be attached to fibreglass at the back if that. It is more of an elaborate roll bar than a cage... Definitely not fia or anything close, but it's a massively safer car than a chimiffth, mainly down to having door bars.

[Mr Fix It]

Here we go... I could not load the PDF, but converted into JPEG. It does not look that stiff compared to the typical chassis values they quote for current cars.

These are the first 10 pages:

[jammy_basturd]

Lol, I did post a link a couple of posts up.