At last

[The devil]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

[joust]

A truly mixed bag of comments on that general news thread, with a significant bias towards one view it seems.

[paulcundy]

Dear All,
So the tea boy gets a mention on the sill plates, so that'll be LEE NOBLE (tea boy).

Don't worry the older geezers on here will understand.

Regards
Paul Cundy
owned and raced a Noble since 2001 so think carefully before you reply

[anotherdom]

Haven't we already done this thread?

[SimonJW]

I couldn't believe the plethora of negativity towards a hand built British Supercar!

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SimonJW said:

I couldn't believe the plethora of negativity towards a hand built British Supercar!

i know tell me about it! most people who posted a comment over there will never own one so i wouldn't read into it too deeply. There are bound to be at least 50 people in the world that would want one of these.

[F.C.]

SimonJW said:

I couldn't believe the plethora of negativity towards a hand built British Supercar!

I think a lot of the negativity is borne from the price point.
IMO @ 200K it could be the prettiest car in the world, but the truth is it is a more refined take on the M 12 series of cars, chassis type, parts bin sourced switch-gear an over-boosted over-stressed engine, again out of another manufacturers line-up,
Nothing wrong with any of the above at a lower price.
Consider McLarens new toy @169K, in-house bespoke engine, carbon tub chassis, CFD aerodynamics (though I suspect this has lead to the cars understated looks), I doubt that the Noble has even sniffed at a wind tunnel for more than a day.
All in all Noble should be applauded for their final effort (the first blue one was dire), though a price nearer £125K would generate a lot more interest IMO.

[Adrian W]

I heard that the £169k was before you spec it, the reality is you won't be driving away for less than £200k

[RobP]

I can't wait for them to go into production. 18 months after they do, the M400 will become a more exclusive car (and for those that don't get it, do the maths. 50 M600s/yr - only 75 M400s in UK)

[TuxMan]

The M600 is built nothing like the M12 it's a stainless welded centre tub with tubular steel subframes welded onto the tub , giving a very very stiff structure .
It was also wind tunnel tested and tested in a climatic chamber as well , the M600 has had a massive amount of testing including running a prototype car for a year , I think we can all agree the M 12 testing included 2 laps around tesco car park and a week left out in the cold ;-) Tux

[F.C.]

TuxMan said:

The M600 is built nothing like the M12 it's a stainless welded centre tub with tubular steel subframes welded onto the tub , giving a very very stiff structure .
It was also wind tunnel tested and tested in a climatic chamber as well , the M600 has had a massive amount of testing including running a prototype car for a year , I think we can all agree the M 12 testing included 2 laps around tesco car park and a week left out in the cold ;-) Tux

Really? all the pictures I saw of the chassis were almost identical to the M 12 series but in stainless.
I see there are no pictures up on their web site, would be interested to see the basic chassis construction.

[F.C.]

Look familiar?
So actully quite like the M400 et al.

http://fenixautomotive.com/content.php?218-M600-pr...

[TuxMan]

No ....a M400 chassis is tubular steel with alloy panels rivited on same as a Ultima where as a M600 chasis is a stainless tub with tubular ends ,checked this with Noble Tech before i put up the statement . Tux

[F.C.]

TuxMan said:

No ....a M400 chassis is tubular steel with alloy panels rivited on same as a Ultima where as a M600 chasis is a stainless tub with tubular ends ,checked this with Noble Tech before i put up the statement . Tux

So the chassis in the picture is no longer the M600 chassis?
Who designed the new chassis?
Does this mean Lee has had no input into the chassis design at all?

[TuxMan]

Don't know mate all I can tell you is the info I was told . The STD chasis is all tubes clad with alloy where as the M 600 is boxed stainless ie no chasis tubes .

[jetstream]

F.C. said:

Really? all the pictures I saw of the chassis were almost identical to the M 12 series but in stainless.
I see there are no pictures up on their web site, would be interested to see the basic chassis construction.

Does this help you compare?
Yes they both use steel tubes but you cant really say there "almost identical"
Picture from http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f152/new-rossion-q... [url

|http://thumbsnap.com/RxzxRGDx[/url]

Matt

[leeshell]

F.C. said:

So the chassis in the picture is no longer the M600 chassis?
Who designed the new chassis?
Does this mean Lee has had no input into the chassis design at all?

Appears he had input to the gearbox...

Fenix Website said:

Lee had previously worked with the highly respected Italian company Graziano on developing a transmission for the Noble M15 road cars, and was later used in the M600

[Rob_W]

SimonJW said:

I couldn't believe the plethora of negativity towards a hand built British Supercar!

I amused myself by looking at the "garages" of those who said it looked ugly. My God if these people are the experts on design we are doomed!

[2.5bluenob]

Rob_W said:

I amused myself by looking at the "garages" of those who said it looked ugly. My God if these people are the experts on design we are doomed!

I must admit thats exactly what i did when read the comments.

[TuxMan]

Ha ha ha me too !!!! In truth the M600 looks alot different in the flesh than in the photos , it's much more aggressive looking ...... Gives me the impression it will rip my head off and spit me out if it gets chance !!!!!! :-) :-)