Vallero paints

[Zaxxon]

I mean Vallejo

Bought a stack of them at the New Year and I'm not too sure about them at the moment.
The coverage is not as good as I had hoped and they seem to discolour after the paint has dried, I think that must be moisture of the skin contact.

Hmm, think I should have tried a couple of pots before buying. I'm pondering a return to Humbrol.

[Zad]

How are you applying them, furry stick or airbrush?

[Zaxxon]

It's the model Air range and I'm using a gravity feed airbrush.

I'm really not too sure about the Vallejo thinners, it's milky and does not seem to mix very well.

[Eric Mc]

Have you tried spraying without thinning?

[Gokartmozart]

Model Air is AFAIK formulated to be used straight from the brush, no thinning required.

[dr_gn]

Zaxxon said:

I mean Vallejo

Bought a stack of them at the New Year and I'm not too sure about them at the moment.
The coverage is not as good as I had hoped and they seem to discolour after the paint has dried, I think that must be moisture of the skin contact.

Hmm, think I should have tried a couple of pots before buying. I'm pondering a return to Humbrol.

They're fine, and they do need thinning (at least for my airbrush). The Vallejo thinners is the right stuff despite appearances. It sounds to me like you're over thinning the stuff. What I do is partially fill the airbrush cup with paint, then add thnners (just one or two drops) and mix with a cocktail stick and 'rolling' the airbrush. Then test spray on scrap. Add thinners if necessary. They cover absolutely fine. Use a few light coats, dried inbetween with a hairdryer if it's cold ambient.

FWIW I'm extremely critical of st products, but I find Vallejo Air paints absolutely great for airbrushing.

[The_Jackal]

+1
Another supporter of Model Air straight from the bottle.

Remember though, if you have any trace of IPA on anything use to stir or wash out the airbrush, the paint will turn to mush in the airbrush. Never let it come into contact with IPA.

[Yertis]

dr_gn said:

I'm extremely critical of st products.

I'd noticed that.

[Gokartmozart]

This guide was published back in 2009 by MAI

http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/a%20PDF%...

[perdu]

Yertis said:

I'd noticed that.

Hey man

he's not alone in that

I detest getting something that bears no resemblance to "anything" as some things do

but now you mention it, I kinda noticed that too

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

Hey man

he's not alone in that

I detest getting something that bears no resemblance to "anything" as some things do

but now you mention it, I kinda noticed that too

I'm not just talking about models either! Applies to anything I spend my hard earned cash on.

[perdu]

I've a few used/unwanted bacteria I could let go for a cheap rate

I do agree with your attitude

If I have paid full whack for anything, some other loon has donated the cash

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

I've a few used/unwanted bacteria I could let go for a cheap rate

I do agree with your attitude

If I have paid full whack for anything, some other loon has donated the cash

Not sure if I'm alone, but I do seem to come into frequent contact with people to whom I've given - or am supposed to give - my cash, who are hopelessly, irrefutably st at their job (plumbers, product 'helpline' people, etc, etc). I usually tell them that if I was half as bad at my job as they are at theirs, I'd be long term unemployed. That with a request for the contact details of their managing director usually has an immediate and positive effect on the situation.

Shame it comes to this, but it's usually the quickest way of getting a result, and I got bored of being patient and understanding a long time ago

[Yertis]

dr_gn said:

Not sure if I'm alone, but I do seem to come into frequent contact with people to whom I've given - or am supposed to give - my cash, who are hopelessly, irrefutably st at their job (plumbers, product 'helpline' people, etc, etc). I usually tell them that if I was half as bad at my job as they are at theirs, I'd be long term unemployed. That with a request for the contact details of their managing director usually has an immediate and positive effect on the situation.

Shame it comes to this, but it's usually the quickest way of getting a result, and I got bored of being patient and understanding a long time ago

Do you find, being a perfectionist, that you can do lots of jobs yourself better than the so-called professionals, therefore prefer to do them yourself, therefore they never get done because you don't have time?

This is my dilemma... I don't trust anyone to do things as well as me, even when I can't actually do it that well myself.

[dr_gn]

Yertis said:

Do you find, being a perfectionist, that you can do lots of jobs yourself better than the so-called professionals, therefore prefer to do them yourself, therefore they never get done because you don't have time?

This is my dilemma... I don't trust anyone to do things as well as me, even when I can't actually do it that well myself.

In 2004/05 I built my house. The CORGI registered plumber couldn't figure out how push-fit connectors worked, resulting in me having to redo all the plumbing myself. The electrician made me buy fire-resistant covers for him to fit on all my cieling lights, then installed them so that when he fitted the lights, they fell over in the floor cavity and were therefore totally useless. I had to refit all of them. The builder couldn't figure out why the roof leaked, until I pointed out that he'd cemented over the drainage gaps in the valleys. I had to chip all the cement off. Believe me, the list goes on and on and on.

What I do now is simply accept that a 'tradesman' will cost £X000, and that will get me about 75% of the job done. I will then redo the last 25% of the 'completed' work of the fool, but to my own standards.

BTW I'm currently mechanically fixing all the downstairs skirting boards to the walls, becasue the joiner just glued them. Badly.

Don't get me started on car mechanics.

[The_Jackal]

I hope you dob all these people into their so called certified bodies. These dont sound like irrelevant mistakes. What if Mr Corgi caused a gas explsoion in your house.

[SlipStream77]

What psi and nozzle size are you using, and what colours are you spraying? I've found it can be tricky to get good results with white, but the solution is simply to use several light coats I think.

When I use a 0.2mm nozzle, I run the compressor at 30psi and it seems to work fine with unthinned Vallejo.

[dr_gn]

The_Jackal said:

I hope you dob all these people into their so called certified bodies. These dont sound like irrelevant mistakes. What if Mr Corgi caused a gas explsoion in your house.

I dunno, I just wanted it finished and done with. CORGI registration means absolutely nothing in terms of the skill of the registered tradesman. Just like the Guild of Master Craftsmen is totally meaningless in terms of quality of work.

I sacked him before he'd got to do the majority of the gas pipework, and I had the stuff he had done checked by a real gas technician (cost £££'s, but worth it).

I also got the technician in from Hep2O to do a pressure check on his work - he found around 25 duff joints, all of which popped under a water test. The guy had never seen such poor work, documented all the evidence and offered to be a witness should I decide to go to court. I phoned the guy up, told him what had happened, what I thought of him and his work and said I wanted a refund or see you in court. Didn't even bother to wait for a response, just put the phone down. Less than an hour later I'd got half my cash back. I left it at that.

ETA Just a bit "Off Topic".

[Zad]

SlipStream77 said:

When I use a 0.2mm nozzle, I run the compressor at 30psi and it seems to work fine with unthinned Vallejo.

I'll make a note of that for when I run Vallejo, I generally run at 15-20psi max, so 30psi would seem way too high normally.