What's up with Hybrid Diesels?
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I've been wondering why all hybrids these days seem to be petrol engines? Most of the petrol hybrids out there only offering around 65mpg at tops, which is no more (if not worse) than what a little Polo Diesel can offer. I know Peugeot are creating the worlds first Diesel Hybrid later this year (or maybe early next year).....but this still only seems to be offering 65mpg.
The only purpose of a hybrid in my mind is to have a hyper-miler type car.....otherwise it seems pointless. So why aren't manufacturers working on making a hybrid out of a small, light diesel car which already does 70+ mpg before they start? With a bit of hybrid magic, surely 100mpg is possible?
Is the technology just not worth it in monetary terms.....or is there some government conspiracy going on where they are telling manufactures to reduce emissions, but not MPG to keep people buying lots of petrol, generating lots of tax
The only purpose of a hybrid in my mind is to have a hyper-miler type car.....otherwise it seems pointless. So why aren't manufacturers working on making a hybrid out of a small, light diesel car which already does 70+ mpg before they start? With a bit of hybrid magic, surely 100mpg is possible?
Is the technology just not worth it in monetary terms.....or is there some government conspiracy going on where they are telling manufactures to reduce emissions, but not MPG to keep people buying lots of petrol, generating lots of tax
I´ve read it´s a cost thing, Hydrids are more expensive than conventional petrols, diesels are more expensive than conventional petrols, put the two together and it gets really expensive. Having said that I think there are a few about http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11452568
Another factor is that this is a Japanese developed technology and the Japanese buying public don´t like diesels in cars.
Another factor is that this is a Japanese developed technology and the Japanese buying public don´t like diesels in cars.
HellDiver said:
Modern diesels are too complicated, too unreliable, and too expensive. Applies to hybrids, and non-hybrids. Small petrol engines are simpler, more reliable, quieter, and don't have dodgy emission controls that make them eat their own s
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Pistonheads should start banning people who make posts as wrong as this t.You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
Hybrids are there to make tree-huggers feel as if they're doing their bit to "save the planet", hence their popularity with film stars. What they don't consider is the environmental impact of mining and processing the metals required for the batteries. They're a bit lit wind turbines - they look good but don't really deliver. At the end of the day, a small diesel is better.
So far, the only new technology that makes sense is the one Jaguar put in the C-X75 - using turbines that can run on any sort of fuel to generate electricity to either recharge the batteries or feed electricity direct to the motors means it behaves like a normal car in terms of refuelling, but has the benefit that you can plug it in at night.
So far, the only new technology that makes sense is the one Jaguar put in the C-X75 - using turbines that can run on any sort of fuel to generate electricity to either recharge the batteries or feed electricity direct to the motors means it behaves like a normal car in terms of refuelling, but has the benefit that you can plug it in at night.
Monty Python said:
Hybrids are there to make tree-huggers feel as if they're doing their bit to "save the planet", hence their popularity with film stars. What they don't consider is the environmental impact of mining and processing the metals required for the batteries. They're a bit lit wind turbines - they look good but don't really deliver. At the end of the day, a small diesel is better.
So far, the only new technology that makes sense is the one Jaguar put in the C-X75 - using turbines that can run on any sort of fuel to generate electricity to either recharge the batteries or feed electricity direct to the motors means it behaves like a normal car in terms of refuelling, but has the benefit that you can plug it in at night.
And how exactly is the "environmental impact of mining and processing the metals required for the batteries" any different for the C-X75 compared to any other hybrid? Apart from the fact you have to have a bigger battery requiring more raw materials?So far, the only new technology that makes sense is the one Jaguar put in the C-X75 - using turbines that can run on any sort of fuel to generate electricity to either recharge the batteries or feed electricity direct to the motors means it behaves like a normal car in terms of refuelling, but has the benefit that you can plug it in at night.
I wish people would think before posting.
briers said:
Pistonheads should start banning people who make posts as wrong as this
You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
I've a very good idea what they're putting in, thanks. You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
I don't see a diesel particulate filters on petrol cars, I don't see any gummed up inlet manifolds either. I don't see petrol cars needing new injectors, EGRs replaced every 40k. I don't see petrol cars needing DPF fluid filled at 35k, or new DPF fluid bladders costing more to replace than the car is worth.
So, what do YOU think happens to a modern diesel?
HellDiver said:
Modern diesels are too complicated, too unreliable, and too expensive. Applies to hybrids, and non-hybrids. Small petrol engines are simpler, more reliable, quieter, and don't have dodgy emission controls that make them eat their own st.
dear oh dear.t.On another note the main reason I would guess must surely be that most of these Hybrids go over the pond for celebs top buy to go to film premiers in, and the US dont get Derv to the same degree as Europe?
briers said:
Pistonheads should start banning people who make posts as wrong as this
You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
So please explain?You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
I know petrol engines are getting more complex, but not as much as diesels. i.e Diesels have far higher fuel pressures and fancy injectors. Turbos on diesels generally have to cope with producing much higher boost pressures.
HellDiver said:
briers said:
Pistonheads should start banning people who make posts as wrong as this
You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
I've a very good idea what they're putting in, thanks. You clearly have no idea what manufacturers are putting into modern petrol engined cars do you.
I don't see a diesel particulate filters on petrol cars, I don't see any gummed up inlet manifolds either. I don't see petrol cars needing new injectors, EGRs replaced every 40k. I don't see petrol cars needing DPF fluid filled at 35k, or new DPF fluid bladders costing more to replace than the car is worth.
So, what do YOU think happens to a modern diesel?
Some of these engines are shagged before 50k miles.
Anyway, VW doesn't think there's anything wrong with a diesel hybrid
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Some of these engines are shagged before 50k miles.
That's because morons who buy them use them like a real car. When I was doing my long commute I used to pass a guy in a Smart who was doing the same commute as I was. 50 miles of motorway each day isn't the right journey to be using a Smart.edo said:
dear oh dear.
On another note the main reason I would guess must surely be that most of these Hybrids go over the pond for celebs top buy to go to film premiers in, and the US dont get Derv to the same degree as Europe?
What is all this "celebrity" bullsOn another note the main reason I would guess must surely be that most of these Hybrids go over the pond for celebs top buy to go to film premiers in, and the US dont get Derv to the same degree as Europe?
t? There is a Prius outside my office that has just disgorged a mother and her two children onto the pavement to take them to school. This is what 99.99% of hybrids are used for... the same thing as any other car, by exactly the same type of people. Just because Leonardo De Caprio also has one, it doesn't in any way create a stereotype, and if you believe it does, you must be in some sort of a dreamworld.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff