Which is the best modern Evo?
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The 789 are all pretty much the same. The 8 MR got a better turbo (10.5 vs the 9.8 on the 7 and non-MR 8's) and new cams, and alloy roof, bilstein suspension. These things were standard on the 9, which also got MIVEC (variable valves). There's also a bit of sytling difference between the 7 & 8 (the 8 got new front bumper, bonnet and wing, but same rear bumper as the 7) and the 8 & 9 (the 9 got a new front and rear bumper, but same bonnet and wing as the 8). The interiors vary by spec, but not much. (Different colours and trim styles but no more gadgets.) There were also RS vs. GSR models, with the RS being designed with Rally in mind, so it came with gravel brakes and a purely mechanical rear diff, compared with the electric AYC diff in the GSR cars.
The 6 is a big difference from the 789 though, there were lots of different versions (RS, RSII, GSR, Xtreme, Zero Fighter, TME) with different levels of power and suspension etc. The 6 is much more raw compared with the later cars.
If I were choosing a car to use daily and trackdays, it would be a 9.
If I were choosing a car to strip, tune, cage and trailer to trackdays then it would be a 6.
Everything in life, even Evo's, is a compromise. As such there's no such thing as 'the best' it's just the one which fits your personal criteria closest.
The 6 is a big difference from the 789 though, there were lots of different versions (RS, RSII, GSR, Xtreme, Zero Fighter, TME) with different levels of power and suspension etc. The 6 is much more raw compared with the later cars.
If I were choosing a car to use daily and trackdays, it would be a 9.
If I were choosing a car to strip, tune, cage and trailer to trackdays then it would be a 6.
Everything in life, even Evo's, is a compromise. As such there's no such thing as 'the best' it's just the one which fits your personal criteria closest.
It depends so much on what you want from the car. Without even sticking your foot down, the 6 has a very different feel to the 9. The 7/8/9 cars are more refined and feel a lot more insulated or sound deadened, where as the 6 feels a lot more like a shell with trimming.
I also found the 9 have a more vague steering feel compared to the 6 which felt more connected with your hands.
I couldn't say which car I preferred to tell you the truth, because I was 22 when I had my 6, and 25 when I had my 9. Once I had my 9, I welcomed the extra comfort and refine nature which I would have rejected at 22.
I also found the 9 have a more vague steering feel compared to the 6 which felt more connected with your hands.
I couldn't say which car I preferred to tell you the truth, because I was 22 when I had my 6, and 25 when I had my 9. Once I had my 9, I welcomed the extra comfort and refine nature which I would have rejected at 22.
Wheelrepairit said:
No mention of the Evo x in that lot at all.
Does that means its rubbish.
I dont know if it's rubbish or not. But I don personally like the look. And they seem bigger and heavier and not a rally car if you know what I mean. I can respect it, but as a heavyweight contended I can't see why you'd want a X over an R34. Does that means its rubbish.
Where I personally like all the other Evo's before and their heritage.
LaurenceFrost said:
It depends so much on what you want from the car. Without even sticking your foot down, the 6 has a very different feel to the 9. The 7/8/9 cars are more refined and feel a lot more insulated or sound deadened, where as the 6 feels a lot more like a shell with trimming.
I also found the 9 have a more vague steering feel compared to the 6 which felt more connected with your hands.
I couldn't say which car I preferred to tell you the truth, because I was 22 when I had my 6, and 25 when I had my 9. Once I had my 9, I welcomed the extra comfort and refine nature which I would have rejected at 22.
I guess there are several reasons for asking. Although mostly because I'm a petrol head. But last week in GG there was a thread about AWD vs 2WD and the Evo and it's TG lap times where mentioned. Then seeing the new Impreza on TG last night just got me thinking about Evo's and how little I know about them compared to Impreza's.I also found the 9 have a more vague steering feel compared to the 6 which felt more connected with your hands.
I couldn't say which car I preferred to tell you the truth, because I was 22 when I had my 6, and 25 when I had my 9. Once I had my 9, I welcomed the extra comfort and refine nature which I would have rejected at 22.
So if I'm reading this right, for a road car there is fairly little difference between a 7 and a 9? Apart from being newer (lower mileage, condition sort of thing) is there any reason to pay more for a 9 over a 7 or 8?
300bhp/ton said:
I dont know if it's rubbish or not. But I don personally like the look. And they seem bigger and heavier and not a rally car if you know what I mean. I can respect it, but as a heavyweight contended I can't see why you'd want a X over an R34.
Where I personally like all the other Evo's before and their heritage.
Because, and I say this as someone who's a big fan and former owner of a few skylines - the Evo is in a different league. A standard 34 wouldn't see which way an X went, it'd murder it on the back roads, the A roads, B roads and everywhere else. Point to point, they're incredible. I'm not too bothered by their looks either, but to drive they're pretty great - a touch less pointy and 'on the edge' as the 7/8/9 ones, but great fun when you plan the loud pedal. Where I personally like all the other Evo's before and their heritage.
I'd take a bet they're more reliable, probably don't cost as much to run, or similar, come with a warranty and don't have a dubious / questionable / unknown past like a great deal of GTRs do.
All that being said, I'd still take an 9 MR.
A 9 (MR) FQ360 would be the highest spec and best all round standard Evo.
The 9 is basically an 8MR with a MIVEC engine, less power than fq400 but much better day to day drive. Some prefer the 6 and the red TME is probably the nicest Evo going and will a future classic but the 5&6s are getting on a bit now and aren't half as nice inside nor are are the engines as tuneable. For track I'd buy a 5 or 6 but for everything else the 9 wins.
The 9 is basically an 8MR with a MIVEC engine, less power than fq400 but much better day to day drive. Some prefer the 6 and the red TME is probably the nicest Evo going and will a future classic but the 5&6s are getting on a bit now and aren't half as nice inside nor are are the engines as tuneable. For track I'd buy a 5 or 6 but for everything else the 9 wins.
superman84 said:
the 5&6s are getting on a bit now and aren't half as nice inside nor are are the engines as tuneable.
I agree that the interior of the early cars is not half as nice as the newer onse. However I disagree with you saying they are 'less tuneable'.The Evo range has used the same block (4G63) in the I through to IX. (The Evo X uses the new 4B11 which is alu and mounted the 'other way round' with the turbo at the back, whereas all the 4G63 have the turbo at the front and inlet at the back.)
The Evo 4 suffered with crankwalk and the pistons/rods used in the early cars are not as stong as the later ones I believe. There are also advancements in turbo and cams and exhaust. However if you're tuning the car (properly!) then you'll be replacing the turbo, exhaust, cams, rods, pistons, plugs, intercooler, induction and fuel pump anyway.
mrmr96 said:
superman84 said:
the 5&6s are getting on a bit now and aren't half as nice inside nor are are the engines as tuneable.
I agree that the interior of the early cars is not half as nice as the newer onse. However I disagree with you saying they are 'less tuneable'.The Evo range has used the same block (4G63) in the I through to IX. (The Evo X uses the new 4B11 which is alu and mounted the 'other way round' with the turbo at the back, whereas all the 4G63 have the turbo at the front and inlet at the back.)
The Evo 4 suffered with crankwalk and the pistons/rods used in the early cars are not as stong as the later ones I believe. There are also advancements in turbo and cams and exhaust. However if you're tuning the car (properly!) then you'll be replacing the turbo, exhaust, cams, rods, pistons, plugs, intercooler, induction and fuel pump anyway.
mrmr96 said:
Have you 'muted' me? See my first post on this thread for differences between 789.
Nope not all. 
I was on my iPhone.
mrmr96 said:
The 789 are all pretty much the same. The 8 MR got a better turbo (10.5 vs the 9.8 on the 7 and non-MR 8's) and new cams, and alloy roof, bilstein suspension. These things were standard on the 9, which also got MIVEC (variable valves). There's also a bit of sytling difference between the 7 & 8 (the 8 got new front bumper, bonnet and wing, but same rear bumper as the 7) and the 8 & 9 (the 9 got a new front and rear bumper, but same bonnet and wing as the 8). The interiors vary by spec, but not much. (Different colours and trim styles but no more gadgets.) There were also RS vs. GSR models, with the RS being designed with Rally in mind, so it came with gravel brakes and a purely mechanical rear diff, compared with the electric AYC diff in the GSR cars.
The 6 is a big difference from the 789 though, there were lots of different versions (RS, RSII, GSR, Xtreme, Zero Fighter, TME) with different levels of power and suspension etc. The 6 is much more raw compared with the later cars.
If I were choosing a car to use daily and trackdays, it would be a 9.
If I were choosing a car to strip, tune, cage and trailer to trackdays then it would be a 6.
Everything in life, even Evo's, is a compromise. As such there's no such thing as 'the best' it's just the one which fits your personal criteria closest.
Thanks. Very informative, read some similar bits on Wikipedia.The 6 is a big difference from the 789 though, there were lots of different versions (RS, RSII, GSR, Xtreme, Zero Fighter, TME) with different levels of power and suspension etc. The 6 is much more raw compared with the later cars.
If I were choosing a car to use daily and trackdays, it would be a 9.
If I were choosing a car to strip, tune, cage and trailer to trackdays then it would be a 6.
Everything in life, even Evo's, is a compromise. As such there's no such thing as 'the best' it's just the one which fits your personal criteria closest.
So based on what you've said, would driving a 7 on the roads feel much the same as driving an 8 or 9? -which would be the most grin inducing and which the most frustrating or are they all much of a muchness?
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