Speed cameras to fight real crime ?
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Speed cameras to fight real crime
A NEW breed of speed cameras will catch criminals on the move as well as motorists breaking the limit in a ground-breaking development.
Bosses at the Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety have told boffins to integrate automatic number plate readers with the Gatsos - using speed cameras as spy cameras.
This would allow the registration of any vehicle caught speeding through a fixed speed camera site to be checked against intelligence on the national police computer.
If something suspicious was found the camera would alert police, helping trace wanted people quickly.
For the past 18 months police have used hand-held ANPR devices at roadside checkpoints. The new technology has proved highly effective, helping alert police to wanted or known criminals, stolen cars and those without tax and insurance.
It has led to the seizure of drugs, weapons and the disruption of the activities of known criminals.
The partnership expects integrated ANPR technology to be in place by Christmas, making Lancashire one of the first places in the country to have them.
Each new ANPR speed camera would cost £100,000, meaning that only a limited number could be bought. Ordinary speed cameras cost about £25,000.
It is thought that main arterial roads will be their locations to maximise the chances of catching travelling criminals on the move.
Installing one of the cameras would mean ripping out the existing one. It would also have to stay in that place permanently.
Adrian Emberton, manager of the Blackburn-based Central Ticket Office for Lancashire which issues the county's fines, said: "It is an untapped resource which is being looked at because criminals have to get from A to B and often do so in a hurry.
"We are looking at the possibility of a system that will work as a speed camera and check the police national computer as ANPR does.
"This is what we are developing. We are looking at how the automatic number plate technology works.
"Lancashire has pioneered a lot of systems in relation to central ticket offices and we hope this one will be in place by Christmas.
"We will start to pick up the movements on known criminals.
"We think the intelligence potential is something that has been overlooked and forces are beginning to recognise this.
"We don't want to victimise motorists, but catch criminals who also use the roads."
Mr Emberton said that the potential for the ANPR link-up was discovered over the past few years as speed cameras proved useful in detecting crime.
He added: "We have 25 to 30 cases of crime being discovered each month through the speed cameras.
"There is fraud, deception, attempts to pervert the course of justice and drugs intelligence.
"If there is a major incident, the central ticket officer are contacted to ask if they can check to see if they have been caught on camera."
Currently, there are 320 speed cameras in Lancashire.
Speed cameras to fight real crime
A NEW breed of speed cameras will catch criminals on the move as well as motorists breaking the limit in a ground-breaking development.
Bosses at the Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety have told boffins to integrate automatic number plate readers with the Gatsos - using speed cameras as spy cameras.
This would allow the registration of any vehicle caught speeding through a fixed speed camera site to be checked against intelligence on the national police computer.
If something suspicious was found the camera would alert police, helping trace wanted people quickly.
For the past 18 months police have used hand-held ANPR devices at roadside checkpoints. The new technology has proved highly effective, helping alert police to wanted or known criminals, stolen cars and those without tax and insurance.
It has led to the seizure of drugs, weapons and the disruption of the activities of known criminals.
The partnership expects integrated ANPR technology to be in place by Christmas, making Lancashire one of the first places in the country to have them.
Each new ANPR speed camera would cost £100,000, meaning that only a limited number could be bought. Ordinary speed cameras cost about £25,000.
It is thought that main arterial roads will be their locations to maximise the chances of catching travelling criminals on the move.
Installing one of the cameras would mean ripping out the existing one. It would also have to stay in that place permanently.
Adrian Emberton, manager of the Blackburn-based Central Ticket Office for Lancashire which issues the county's fines, said: "It is an untapped resource which is being looked at because criminals have to get from A to B and often do so in a hurry.
"We are looking at the possibility of a system that will work as a speed camera and check the police national computer as ANPR does.
"This is what we are developing. We are looking at how the automatic number plate technology works.
"Lancashire has pioneered a lot of systems in relation to central ticket offices and we hope this one will be in place by Christmas.
"We will start to pick up the movements on known criminals.
"We think the intelligence potential is something that has been overlooked and forces are beginning to recognise this.
"We don't want to victimise motorists, but catch criminals who also use the roads."
Mr Emberton said that the potential for the ANPR link-up was discovered over the past few years as speed cameras proved useful in detecting crime.
He added: "We have 25 to 30 cases of crime being discovered each month through the speed cameras.
"There is fraud, deception, attempts to pervert the course of justice and drugs intelligence.
"If there is a major incident, the central ticket officer are contacted to ask if they can check to see if they have been caught on camera."
Currently, there are 320 speed cameras in Lancashire.
. Atb Derek
Mkay, lemme get this straight...
the scamera is going to snap a car, ID the plate, and do what with the information exactly?
store it? hmm - if the camera wasn't good (at making profit) this wouldn't be acted upon till the time pc plod comes up to change the camera...
"ahhhh, bin laden was through here 47 days ago... ho hum!"
are they going to bring in 'new' technology whereby the gatso uproots itself, produces a blue flashing light and a whistle and runs after the aforementioned crim shouting "stop, Police... I need your wallet contents..."
When are the bloody government/council/sandalista/lentilista etc going to realise - TO STOP CRIME YOU NEED FECKING POLICEMEN (and women!), FACELESS GREY BOXES DO NADA!!! They don't solve crime, they criminalise...
the only way it could even be remotely spun as solving crime would be solving crimes that the cameras themselves (well, those and the scameraships) create...
I need a lie down!!!
deltaf said:
I really dont care, as my plans to leave this god forsaken shite hole are well in hand.
They can stick em up on every street as far as im concerned now, i really dont give a.
Where are you going? Take me with you!!
I have the same thoughts of escape but it can't be anywhere in Europe as there seems to be a pan-European agenda.
Anyway, you can't leave before Blunkett has ordered a bar code tattoo on your forehead and banned baseball caps which may hide it.
CB-Dave said:
Mkay, lemme get this straight...
the scamera is going to snap a car, ID the plate, and do what with the information exactly?
store it? hmm - if the camera wasn't good (at making profit) this wouldn't be acted upon till the time pc plod comes up to change the camera...
"ahhhh, bin laden was through here 47 days ago... ho hum!"
are they going to bring in 'new' technology whereby the gatso uproots itself, produces a blue flashing light and a whistle and runs after the aforementioned crim shouting "stop, Police... I need your wallet contents..."
When are the bloody government/council/sandalista/lentilista etc going to realise - TO STOP CRIME YOU NEED FECKING POLICEMEN (and women!), FACELESS GREY BOXES DO NADA!!! They don't solve crime, they criminalise...
the only way it could even be remotely spun as solving crime would be solving crimes that the cameras themselves (well, those and the scameraships) create...
I need a lie down!!!
I believe the devices are digital and if they are used in the same way as the ANPR vans, they get an instant alert if a suspicious vehicle passes. They have chase teams hidden down the road to intercept.
Zerr iss no escape, Herr Driver. Ve haf you done up like ze kipper.
Wouldn't it save a lot of time if we just had bracelets fitted to our wrists/ankles which transmitted out position (and change thereof) at all times. Then the "powers-that-be" could keep track of all the (generally) law-abiding citizens and let the criminals run riot?
Stupid of me, that's what happens now ... except for the bracelets!
Can anyone think of a piece of legislation recently brought in that actually deters crime ... rather than just inconveniencing the average citizen?
And O/T, I see that HM the Queen will not have an ID card as she is not a subject, but Charles will have to have one. Presumeably when (if) he becomes King, he will give it back.
Streaky
Stupid of me, that's what happens now ... except for the bracelets!
Can anyone think of a piece of legislation recently brought in that actually deters crime ... rather than just inconveniencing the average citizen?
And O/T, I see that HM the Queen will not have an ID card as she is not a subject, but Charles will have to have one. Presumeably when (if) he becomes King, he will give it back.
Streaky
streaky said:
Can anyone think of a piece of legislation recently brought in that actually deters crime ... rather than just inconveniencing the average citizen?
Streaky
Nope! And back home you even pay tax on the family cat! (It's jolly expensive - which is why I am over here - taxation on kittens...!)
Hmmm! These new gadgets cost £100,000. Better be even more careful in LanCASH££££re then - as they will up the stakes to pay for them.
But it does say "registration of any vehicle caught speeding past a fixed camera will be checked against the intelligence on the national police computer"
Hogwash! As others have already posted - offender will be long gone by the time the photo is checked and they have despatched plod to investigate!
Just another ploy to "sell" PC Gatso to us! Must be getting worried to stoop to this. As for it leading to sezizure of drugs and copping hard criminals in the county .... that so? Well - why do the local newspapers express concern at the growing and unsolved crime rate? Why are we not reading of the clear-up of these crimes in the press?
Someone being less than truthful - not
the Scam prat by any chance?WildCat said:
Can anyone think of a piece of legislation recently brought in that actually deters crime ... rather than just inconveniencing the average citizen?
Streaky
Nope! And back home you even pay tax on the family cat! (It's jolly expensive - which is why I am over here - taxation on kittens...!)
Hmmm! These new gadgets cost £100,000. Better be even more careful in LanCASH££££re then - as they will up the stakes to pay for them.
But it does say "registration of any vehicle caught speeding past a fixed camera will be checked against the intelligence on the national police computer"
Hogwash! As others have already posted - offender will be long gone by the time the photo is checked and they have despatched plod to investigate!
Just another ploy to "sell" PC Gatso to us! Must be getting worried to stoop to this. As for it leading to sezizure of drugs and copping hard criminals in the county .... that so? Well - why do the local newspapers express concern at the growing and unsolved crime rate? Why are we not reading of the clear-up of these crimes in the press?
Someone being less than truthful - not
Where is "back home" AZ?
T
Well a good way to do this would be to connect the camera that does ANPR to a broadband connection and relay the number back to the central database immediately. Not much of a problem really.
No requirement for film as ANPR doesn't use film.
No technical barriers to this but approval would take longer than christmas, christmas 2010!
No requirement for film as ANPR doesn't use film.
No technical barriers to this but approval would take longer than christmas, christmas 2010!
streaky said:
Wouldn't it save a lot of time if we just had bracelets fitted to our wrists/ankles which transmitted out position (and change thereof) at all times.
These devices do already exist, they're called mobile phones ! People don't just carry them voluntarily, they even willingly pay for the privilege of doing so !!
Tafia
Back home is Switzerland - home of high taxes on everything including the cat, the budgie and the goldfish - and even worse persecution of motorists than here - 3mph above limit across whole range of speed limits, where scams wear neat disguises - favourite amongst the variety of disguises --- wheely bins
That is why I live over here! (Apart from fact I married a cute little Englander!
)
Ach! Now the tinpot dictator in Wales will get more silly ideas! Still - if he visits Switzerland - can always teach him real speed - on the bobsleigh run
Back home is Switzerland - home of high taxes on everything including the cat, the budgie and the goldfish - and even worse persecution of motorists than here - 3mph above limit across whole range of speed limits, where scams wear neat disguises - favourite amongst the variety of disguises --- wheely bins
That is why I live over here! (Apart from fact I married a cute little Englander!
) Ach! Now the tinpot dictator in Wales will get more silly ideas! Still - if he visits Switzerland - can always teach him real speed - on the bobsleigh run
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