Destination Nurburgring and RSR
Discussion
Booked on the April ring trip and got a mail from DN saying:
PLEASE NOTE - Any cars hired from RSR Nurburg will not be allowed access to the event. We will be reviewing this decision at the end of March. In the meantime, if you are looking to hire a car for this event please go to our partners at Rent-Racecad.de
What is that all about?
PLEASE NOTE - Any cars hired from RSR Nurburg will not be allowed access to the event. We will be reviewing this decision at the end of March. In the meantime, if you are looking to hire a car for this event please go to our partners at Rent-Racecad.de
What is that all about?
only new nurbgring-rip-off-deals.de now allowed on the ring tfn
such as
ripoff-hotels.de
ripoff-cameras.de
ripoff-car-hire.de
and I'm sure
rip-off-tankstella.de
rip-off-water.de
rip-off-air.de
will follow soon!
the old guard are all getting pushed out by the new Ecclestone derived mega facilities that have been built and can't be filled!
such as
ripoff-hotels.de
ripoff-cameras.de
ripoff-car-hire.de
and I'm sure
rip-off-tankstella.de
rip-off-water.de
rip-off-air.de
will follow soon!
the old guard are all getting pushed out by the new Ecclestone derived mega facilities that have been built and can't be filled!96eight said:
Booked on the April ring trip and got a mail from DN saying:
PLEASE NOTE - Any cars hired from RSR Nurburg will not be allowed access to the event. We will be reviewing this decision at the end of March. In the meantime, if you are looking to hire a car for this event please go to our partners at Rent-Racecad.de
What is that all about?
Although it is possible that the justification for this is legal in Germany, that is unlikely. Although Linder is entitled to choose with whom it does business, it is not entitled to dictate to its clients with whom they may do business. PLEASE NOTE - Any cars hired from RSR Nurburg will not be allowed access to the event. We will be reviewing this decision at the end of March. In the meantime, if you are looking to hire a car for this event please go to our partners at Rent-Racecad.de
What is that all about?
Nothing that sinister I'm afraid.
It's down to risk assessments (laughable for the Nordschleife I know) I'm required to provide to my event insurers/the circuit.
Included in the stated reasons for the Hausverbot (ban) against RSR were concerns about "serious safety defects in the process used by the RSR Nurburgring vehicles, license plate abuse, illicit instructors rides, not showing accident caused damage, massive complaints from other North Loop users" amongst other (irrelevant to me) things.
I have a duty of care to my customers. If I knowingly ignore the part about "safety defects" and there were to be an issue with an RSR supplied car on my events, my company (and by extension me personally) could be held liable. Given the very public nature of the disclosure of these concerns along with how they've been enforced I can't really argue "I didn't know".
I'm sure there must be someone trained in H&S risk assessments that might be able to articulate it better than I.
The fact no other rental companies face the ban compounds the matter.
What I, along with Ron himself and others expect is for the hearing toward the end of March to pave the way for the Hausverbot to be lifted and conditions to be set to allow RSR to resume normal operation.
If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
It's down to risk assessments (laughable for the Nordschleife I know) I'm required to provide to my event insurers/the circuit.
Included in the stated reasons for the Hausverbot (ban) against RSR were concerns about "serious safety defects in the process used by the RSR Nurburgring vehicles, license plate abuse, illicit instructors rides, not showing accident caused damage, massive complaints from other North Loop users" amongst other (irrelevant to me) things.
I have a duty of care to my customers. If I knowingly ignore the part about "safety defects" and there were to be an issue with an RSR supplied car on my events, my company (and by extension me personally) could be held liable. Given the very public nature of the disclosure of these concerns along with how they've been enforced I can't really argue "I didn't know".
I'm sure there must be someone trained in H&S risk assessments that might be able to articulate it better than I.
The fact no other rental companies face the ban compounds the matter.
What I, along with Ron himself and others expect is for the hearing toward the end of March to pave the way for the Hausverbot to be lifted and conditions to be set to allow RSR to resume normal operation.
If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
flemke said:
Although it is possible that the justification for this is legal in Germany, that is unlikely. Although Linder is entitled to choose with whom it does business, it is not entitled to dictate to its clients with whom they may do business.
Exactly this. I set the conditions for the event.ringweekends said:
Nothing that sinister I'm afraid.
It's down to risk assessments (laughable for the Nordschleife I know) I'm required to provide to my event insurers/the circuit.
Included in the stated reasons for the Hausverbot (ban) against RSR were concerns about "serious safety defects in the process used by the RSR Nurburgring vehicles, license plate abuse, illicit instructors rides, not showing accident caused damage, massive complaints from other North Loop users" amongst other (irrelevant to me) things.
I have a duty of care to my customers. If I knowingly ignore the part about "safety defects" and there were to be an issue with an RSR supplied car on my events, my company (and by extension me personally) could be held liable. Given the very public nature of the disclosure of these concerns along with how they've been enforced I can't really argue "I didn't know".
I'm sure there must be someone trained in H&S risk assessments that might be able to articulate it better than I.
The fact no other rental companies face the ban compounds the matter.
What I, along with Ron himself and others expect is for the hearing toward the end of March to pave the way for the Hausverbot to be lifted and conditions to be set to allow RSR to resume normal operation.
If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
Normally, one would be required to demonstrate that a car was or was not safe. What is the scrutiny of vehicle soundness on a track day? Next to nothing.It's down to risk assessments (laughable for the Nordschleife I know) I'm required to provide to my event insurers/the circuit.
Included in the stated reasons for the Hausverbot (ban) against RSR were concerns about "serious safety defects in the process used by the RSR Nurburgring vehicles, license plate abuse, illicit instructors rides, not showing accident caused damage, massive complaints from other North Loop users" amongst other (irrelevant to me) things.
I have a duty of care to my customers. If I knowingly ignore the part about "safety defects" and there were to be an issue with an RSR supplied car on my events, my company (and by extension me personally) could be held liable. Given the very public nature of the disclosure of these concerns along with how they've been enforced I can't really argue "I didn't know".
I'm sure there must be someone trained in H&S risk assessments that might be able to articulate it better than I.
The fact no other rental companies face the ban compounds the matter.
What I, along with Ron himself and others expect is for the hearing toward the end of March to pave the way for the Hausverbot to be lifted and conditions to be set to allow RSR to resume normal operation.
If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
Illicit instructor rides? You mean during TF? Okay, but they're not at issue on a track day.
There are two separate questions here. One relates to the fairness or unfairness of an outside operator breaking the venue's rules, and whether the interpretation of that may be reasonable on the part of a monopolist.
A completely separate matter, however, is whether Lindner is entitled to forbid someone not from bringing an unsafe vehicle, but from bringing a safe vehicle that happened to have been supplied by its adversary.
Believe me, I am no particular fan of the track day outfit in question, not since, on one of their very first sessions there, one of their clients, under instruction, ran into me, he was entirely at fault (there were independent witnesses), and then RS tried to get me to pay for the damage to his car, which entire car was worth a few hundred pounds all together. I raised the obvious point that he must have had his client agree in writing beforehand to compensate for any damage he caused. He admitted that the client had signed such a contract, but he was refusing to pay, hence they thought they'd look to me!
Look, we both know that the new CRH's have tried on some pretty high-handed stunts since they got their hooks into the Nurburgring. You have to do business with them, fair enough, just as Britain had to do business with Gadaffi, but I think all of us here know that we ain't dealing with guys who were attracted to the Eifels out of an undying love of motor sport.
ringweekends said:
flemke said:
Although it is possible that the justification for this is legal in Germany, that is unlikely. Although Linder is entitled to choose with whom it does business, it is not entitled to dictate to its clients with whom they may do business.
Exactly this. I set the conditions for the event.Who was banning RSR vehicles: Lindner or you?
ringweekends said:
What I, along with Ron himself and others expect is for the hearing toward the end of March to pave the way for the Hausverbot to be lifted and conditions to be set to allow RSR to resume normal operation.
If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
As promised, decision reviewed, anyone attending is now free to rent from whomever they choose.If this happens I'll happily review my decision.
Darren
Cheers
Darren
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