Police and Jury's - Good Idea ?
Police and Jury's - Good Idea ?
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tonyrec

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3,984 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Since 5th April and courtesy of the Criminal Justice Act, Police are now eligible to 'appear' on Jury's.

Is this a good idea or not?.....the Police Federation think not and are making urgent representations to the Home Office.

zorro

4,646 posts

304 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...not a good idea by any means, the suspect/s on trial are held in view by police officers as the likely culprits otherwise they wouldn't be there. Isn't it the case that the police on the jury are likely to side with the prosecution ie fellow officers.....not mentioning the Masons.

What next police judges

Size Nine Elm

5,167 posts

306 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Definitely not. If they can't spell 'juries' correctly, what chance of an intelligent decision?

Sorry, Tony

tonyrec

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3,984 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Cant wait....."I promise that i will treat everyone fairly...everyones innocent until proven guilty

Sory bout me spellin tho

tonyrec

Original Poster:

3,984 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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zorro said:
the suspect/s on trial are held in view by police officers as the likely culprits otherwise they wouldn't be there.


Isnt that the case anyway

Pies

13,116 posts

278 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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If a copper is being charged with an offence he has theright to be tried by his peers

Im not sure about this

gone

6,649 posts

285 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Good idea. Many more convictions will be made
Remember everyone is guilty of something

Pies

13,116 posts

278 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Obviously this will lead to less police on the streets as at all times a certain percentage will be doing jury service

tonyrec

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3,984 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Is it any different to the person who sits on the Jury and hates Police.....and they will never convict the accused in a month of Sundays no matter how strong the evidence is?

(Does this really go on? )

rospa

494 posts

270 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Definitely not. They are too close to the "system".

Big_M

5,602 posts

285 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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rospa said:
Definitely not. They are too close to the "system".
Having done a stint of jury service I think it will be a good idea. Half of the 12 did not have a brain cell between them and basically went along with what I and another girl thought. Problem is most people with any intelligence are in good jobs and try and avoid Jury Service at any cost.

8Pack

5,182 posts

262 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Difficult one this, you can see the pitfalls AND the benefits a mile away can't you. I don't THINK the police officers that I know would be swayed by any affiliation but I don't know, what about retired officers who are then "out of the system?"

zorro

4,646 posts

304 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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tonyrec said:

zorro said:
the suspect/s on trial are held in view by police officers as the likely culprits otherwise they wouldn't be there.



Isnt that the case anyway


yes but the cynic(realist ?) in me says that the jury officer is going to be more sympathetic with the prosecution case. You could always balance it up a bit having by having ex-cons on the jury tho.....could you see Mad Frankie Fraser giving anyone a guilty

streaky

19,311 posts

271 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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tonyrec said:

zorro said:
the suspect/s on trial are held in view by police officers as the likely culprits otherwise they wouldn't be there.

Isnt that the case anyway
Tony - I see that, possibly in response to Size Nine Elm's comment about spelling, you tried to balance the books by not using the apostrophe in "isnt" that you misused in "Jury's

In reply to your question, I feel strongly that those who make and administer the law (eg. MPs, Parliamentary drafters, police, traffic wardens, lawyers) and those who maintain our punishment system (eg. warders, probation officers) should NOT be allowed to sit on juries.

As for "trial by peers" raised by Pies, "peers" refers to rank, not to role, and in the British justice system this differentiates Members of the House of Lords (as was) from everyone else.

Streaky

TonyRec

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277 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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For the record...i wouildnt like to do it.

Guilty.....next case please
Guilty.....next case please
Guilty.....next case please.......


Easy money eh?

8Pack

5,182 posts

262 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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TED FOR WITCHFINDER GENERAL![/B]

zorro

4,646 posts

304 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Classic Mad Frank on Sky News recently, shot live in an East End pub...he says all coppers are bent, you just have to slip them a few bob and nothing is said....CUT

Sky presenter : we want to point out that those views are not of Sky News

zorro

4,646 posts

304 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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gone said:
Good idea. Many more convictions will be made
Remember everyone is guilty of something


Yep corruption and bribery spring to mind.

Marcos Maniac

3,148 posts

283 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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Big_M said:

rospa said:
Definitely not. They are too close to the "system".

Having done a stint of jury service I think it will be a good idea. Half of the 12 did not have a brain cell between them and basically went along with what I and another girl thought. Problem is most people with any intelligence are in good jobs and try and avoid Jury Service at any cost.


And a proportion of the poulation not having the slightest clue what actually goes on the real world

WildCat

8,369 posts

265 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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gone said:
Good idea. Many more convictions will be made
Remember everyone is guilty of something



Liebchen - you are not supposed to be prejudiced!

You are supposed to listen to the evidence, be objective, dispassionate, and not let emotion get in the way!

Really why BiBs should not be allowed to serve on juries - too subjective and possibly could result in miscarriage of justice and they could brow-beat other jurors to agree with their point of view - which is all too possible. Can see lots of compensation looming for unsound convictions here - which we taxpayers will be forking out for yet again!

Keep getting strange mental image of you when I read your posts: bloke grinding his teeth, waving his fist and proclaiming "he'll'ave me for this!"