PV Cells Being Fitted Next Week

[R500POP]

Our PV cells start being fitted next week, finish on Monday/Tuesday the following week.

Now all I have to do is buy an electric vehicle & get a job working nights & I can have free travel!!!!!

[Jonboy_t]

Is that the Photo Voltaic (<spelling!) sheets, like solar panels, but better? If it is, can you do an update once you've had some use out of it please? I'd be really interested in how good these things are. I've heard they are much better than solar, but I wanted to fit them after a planned loft conversion to avoid additional bills!!

[FlossyThePig]

R500POP said:

Our PV cells start being fitted next week, finish on Monday/Tuesday the following week.

Now all I have to do is buy an electric vehicle & get a job working nights & I can have free travel!!!!!

1. What is the area of the PVs?
2. Have you leased out your roof or are you getting the full 41p per unit generated?
3. have you seen the price of the Nissan Leaf? £24k, which includes the government subsidy.

[TheInternet]

R500POP said:

Our PV cells start being fitted next week

Do you mean solar panels?

[R500POP]

TheInternet said:

Do you mean solar panels?

Yep, PV cells, have an energy monitor so will pretty quickly be able to see the effects.

Have leased our roof as

1. We get reduced energy bill.

2. When not occupied the energy will feed in, meaning we are doing a little to help the environment.

3. Who wants a nissan leaf, yuk. I'm hoping to get an Aptera.

[R500POP]

FlossyThePig said:

1. What is the area of the PVs?

subsidy.

About 18m2 IIRC.

[Mr GrimNasty]

You are doing nothing to help the environment, probably quite the reverse if you look at the production process. These would not be economically viable without the ridiculous level of incentive, forced on the electricity companies by the EU/world/government fake carbon economy gravy train. You are just putting up all our electricity bills.

I don't blame you for being corrupted and taking the bribe. But please don't sanctimoniously pretend you are doing any good.

[FlossyThePig]

Mr GrimNasty said:

You are doing nothing to help the environment, probably quite the reverse if you look at the production process. These would not be economically viable without the ridiculous level of incentive, forced on the electricity companies by the EU/world/government fake carbon economy gravy train. You are just putting up all our electricity bills.

Ok money where mouth is time.

Where are the real details about PV production, how bad they are and the real cost?

[freecar]

FlossyThePig said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

You are doing nothing to help the environment, probably quite the reverse if you look at the production process. These would not be economically viable without the ridiculous level of incentive, forced on the electricity companies by the EU/world/government fake carbon economy gravy train. You are just putting up all our electricity bills.

Ok money where mouth is time.

Where are the real details about PV production, how bad they are and the real cost?

Surely if they were viable, the government wouldn't need to subsidise each unit they produce by over three times the going rate!

Personally I feel they are a white elephant and I hope the FIT is scrapped ASAP, sorry op!

[caziques]

What large home PV systems show is how much energy goes into the average house each year, and how small a contribution these make.

As an educated guess a large PV array will generate 4000 kW hours a year - add up the total kW hrs of electricity and gas you use, (I would be very surprised if a family uses less than 12000kW hrs a year) and realize there is still a huge shortfall.

The problem isn't so much in using PV to generate more power, it's the vast amount of energy the average person uses every day - without even thinking.

[Simpo Two]

You might save a few quid but it's all an eco-sham money-go-round paid for by everybody else.

[Paul Drawmer]

R500POP said:

Yep, PV cells, have an energy monitor so will pretty quickly be able to see the effects.

Have leased our roof as

1. We get reduced energy bill.

2. When not occupied the energy will feed in, meaning we are doing a little to help the environment.

3. Who wants a nissan leaf, yuk. I'm hoping to get an Aptera.

We have a 'Current Cost' energy meter. Exporting to the grid, completely fouls up the figures as the meter measures current flow, not direction. Therefore; when you are exporting, it will read as if you are using from the grid.

When you 'rent your roof' do you get the 3p per unit for export? If so, is that via an export meter, or just the assumed 50%?

Our meter is of old-fashioned synchronous motor type, when we are exporting it 'unwinds', so until SSE fit the requested export meter, we will be 'unbying' our 'leccy in the sun.

Here's what it looks like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPBNk2wIcTs

Oh, and February has been bloody dark!

[R500POP]

Mr GrimNasty said:

I don't blame you for being corrupted and taking the bribe. But please don't sanctimoniously pretend you are doing any good.

I think my secasm may have been missed when I claimed part of the reasonm we are doing it is because of the environment. The environmental effects will be small, minimal in fact. We are doing it primarily as it will reduce or energy bill at zero cost to us.

[Paul Drawmer]

FlossyThePig said:

Ok money where mouth is time.
Where are the real details about PV production, how bad they are and the real cost?

For real costs look here:
http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/board,7...
Look at the typical cost thread, 2nd down.

For actual performance look here:
http://www.bdpv.fr/carte_installation.php?cherche=...
Clickable map - I've used mine as an example - Feb figures will go on later today.
I think you should be able to zoom out to see other UK installaions.
Performance is orientation, shading and latitude dependant.

[R500POP]

Paul Drawmer said:

Our meter is of old-fashioned synchronous motor type, when we are exporting it 'unwinds', so until SSE fit the requested export meter, we will be 'unbying' our 'leccy in the sun.

I belive we get new metre with the system, with a dual display showing consumption & production.

[Mr GrimNasty]

R500POP said:

I think my secasm may have been missed when I claimed part of the reasonm we are doing it is because of the environment. The environmental effects will be small, minimal in fact. We are doing it primarily as it will reduce or energy bill at zero cost to us.

Sorry! LOL.

This fake green industry is very worrying though. By 2020 it will cost every household nearly £1000 a year. With 100-200% subsidies it is the economics of the mad-house. And it isn't even genuinely green. Our new government seem to be going at it with increasing zeal, just as other European countries have come to their senses and started dumping the renewables targets and subsidies.

[blackcab]

The Goverment would be better off just giving you the money rather than subsidising the scheme that is costing far more than the users will save - combine that with the admin costs etc and its another cracking govt waste of money.

PV panels do not work to the levels they would have you believe unfortunately.

[Paul Drawmer]

blackcab said:

...PV panels do not work to the levels they would have you believe unfortunately.

In what way do you mean that?
The output from most installed systems is actually slightly higher than the approved projections which are used by MCS accredited installers.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Paul Drawmer said:

In what way do you mean that?
The output from most installed systems is actually slightly higher than the approved projections which are used by MCS accredited installers.

The break even pay back point on PV systems is about 9 to 13 years, depending on the size of the system. That is with the subsidy paying for the generated electricity at 10 plus times the market rate. The performance of the panels degrades, and after 10 years, it is highly likely the performance will have fallen off considerably to the point where new panels are required.

It is clearly not currently economically viable. Anyone that says otherwise is a green nutter or someone employed in and profiteering from this parasitic 'fraudulent' sector that could not exist without the ridiculous level of subsidy.

Having said that, PV systems are far better than windmills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Simpo Two]

Let's remember that 'subsidy' is a polite word for taxpayer, just as 'investment' is polite word for spending taxpayer's money. The only source of real money is the taxpayer. The more that is subsidised and invested, the more the taxpayer takes it up the stter.