TVR T350T high speeds
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If you had an opportunity to max out your T350 Targa, what would you do with the panels? In or out?
I've heard that the panels can fly off at high speeds, so take them off, but equally I've heard that the rear 3/4 windows can explode if you do?
Any one with some experience? What speeds are we talking about?
I've heard that the panels can fly off at high speeds, so take them off, but equally I've heard that the rear 3/4 windows can explode if you do?
Any one with some experience? What speeds are we talking about?
I've not had a decent enough look at a T350T, but I definately wouldnt do a vmax run in one roofless (or go beyond 110ish.) Leaving your windows open/ roof section off at 160mph+ is absolutely idiotic in a 'normal' car with millions in development costs - doing so in a TVR is beyond idiotic IMHO.
I'd make sure the T panels are well held down and see how you go, any sign of significant lifting and back off the speed.
I'd make sure the T panels are well held down and see how you go, any sign of significant lifting and back off the speed.
scary stories 
I had besides a TVR Griffith 4.3 BV, also a TVR V8S in that last one my roof popped of, at least 1 part did, lucky for my the front was secured with a extra bonnet-clip? anyway so only the rear side popped out...that was my first high speed try so I backed off the pedal and later I did make it more secure (also a clip on that side, to much air build up inside, though the griffith was oke without clips I believe.
how is a T350c doing on high speeds...say, you tune it to reach 320km/h is it then still possible to drive without problems? nothing fly's of?
I had besides a TVR Griffith 4.3 BV, also a TVR V8S in that last one my roof popped of, at least 1 part did, lucky for my the front was secured with a extra bonnet-clip? anyway so only the rear side popped out...that was my first high speed try
so I backed off the pedal and later I did make it more secure (also a clip on that side, to much air build up inside, though the griffith was oke without clips I believe.how is a T350c doing on high speeds...say, you tune it to reach 320km/h is it then still possible to drive without problems? nothing fly's of?
Only the T400, T440 and Typhon shapes had any actual wind testing and were designed to have downforce on the Mulsanne Straight.
I really wouldn't want to run high speeds on conventional TVRs as I would think that it would be down to complete luck if any were stable at that point.
I've had a Griff reading 6.5K RPM in top once but on another occasion at just 130 I could feel the front lifting due to weather conditions.
The T350 I nver took over 140. Primarily because it was a targa and the noise from 110 upwards was not reassuring. At 140 it was light.
Personally, I would leave vmax to cars actually tested and designed to run at vmax
I really wouldn't want to run high speeds on conventional TVRs as I would think that it would be down to complete luck if any were stable at that point.
I've had a Griff reading 6.5K RPM in top once but on another occasion at just 130 I could feel the front lifting due to weather conditions.
The T350 I nver took over 140. Primarily because it was a targa and the noise from 110 upwards was not reassuring. At 140 it was light.
Personally, I would leave vmax to cars actually tested and designed to run at vmax
Not sure i understand alot of these replies
so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!
so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!7 TVR said:
Not sure i understand alot of these replies so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!
Panels on and locked in place well - all good, see what it can do. so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!Constant Vmax runs/ Autobahn cruiser? - get a car designed for it.
I dont understand people who dont take their sports cars to the limit on track more than those who never 'max' a car - the opportunities for doing the former are far greater - and more fun IMHO. Before anyone says it - yes, I've been in a TVR at scary speeds, and yes, I've been faster in other stuff (204 is my current Vmax at ground level - RUF Turbo R!) You can tell when something has been developed for the job in hand - albeit at greater cost.
7 TVR said:
Not sure i understand alot of these replies so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!
Your bike would have had quite a bit of testing by the factory at those speeds before being sold. Big difference. so you go out and spend a small fortune on a high performance car but then never max it out or run it over 120ish for fear of roof panels blowing off, rear windows exploding!! I'm with the guy who has had his at 160, horses for courses i suppose , i've had my bike showing 185 on the clock and trust me thats got no safety devices!Your bike will have had specific aero work to keep it stable.
Your Griff on the other hand, has had none of this. It is a beautiful shape penned by a bloke with a pen and paper. It's never been tested, it was never designed with any aero work in mind. As such, you will find that the front lifts more and more as you increase the speed at which you are pushing it through the air.
With some of the T cars they apparently have glass panels which were never tested at these speeds and have been subsequently proven to come out under the pressures.
Several fixes have been done by TVR and other firms to remedy many things.
However, the simple fact remains that none of the normal road car designs were every fully tested at the kind of speeds the cars are capable of and no regard was really paid to any aero dynamics.
Mattt said:
I thought the T350 was the first Tiv that was wind tunnel tested/optimised?
I doubt anything short of the TuscanR/Typhon/T440R/Speed 12 was tested. Evo once reported a figure for the Tuscan (Tuscan R to Le Mans story,) but I doubt it ever saw a wind tunnel, or atleast, never did for its development.They certainly benefited (all modern models) from a relatively sound aerodynamic theory - but too many simple flaws are identifyable for them to have actually been tested in my opinion. I stand corrected if they have, but I really doubt it, and if they had - I have no idea why certain flaws were allowed to remain.
Let me not detract from TVR's efforts - they did spectacularly well without the full works wind tunnel testing, the majority of TVR's are reasonably neutral at great speed... its not easy to achieve that at all.fredd1e said:
198MPH!? only the car off the road I suspect.... Not sure the T350C's aero is optimised for such high speed nor even if its possible with "only" an S6 engine ?
No, when and if I ever buy another TVR it could be a T350c but then it will get a LS2/3 engine with about 450hp.I think that car will reach 300km/h and if thats possible I will also do that occasionally
so thats why its important for me to know, what will happen? is it still stable or do I have to make some special air things...
Oh, I also live about 30km from the German border/A31 limit free
not that top-speed is important for me ofcorse...thats boring, but when the car is capable of it I occasionally give it some beans
are there racers from the T350c? maybe those use the aero things such car needs...
Omerta said:
thanks a big splitter and a very big wing...
maybe the Germans did run a test, (they also do windtunneltest when they test a car) how much lift/downforce front and rear...but they did not come out in Germany, although a few RHD are there.
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