Road tax grumble
Discussion
Saw an advert for a 180PS twin-turbo Saab which boasts zero road tax.
Not fair! Using CO2 emissions as the sole factor for calculating road tax has turned it from a road tax into a C02 tax. This is a fundamental change, it is basically a new tax. Any idea that it is used to pay for roads is gone. Don't see why some company car diesel should bomb around on twin-turbo power belching black smoke for free when my megre millage in a petrol car costs me so much. If lowering pollution is the aim how about factoring all the soot and other stuff too? Plus using fixed bands on a test with questionable accuracy will only lead to cars being made for the test, not actual use. Pah.
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Not fair! Using CO2 emissions as the sole factor for calculating road tax has turned it from a road tax into a C02 tax. This is a fundamental change, it is basically a new tax. Any idea that it is used to pay for roads is gone. Don't see why some company car diesel should bomb around on twin-turbo power belching black smoke for free when my megre millage in a petrol car costs me so much. If lowering pollution is the aim how about factoring all the soot and other stuff too? Plus using fixed bands on a test with questionable accuracy will only lead to cars being made for the test, not actual use. Pah.
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Edited by cml on Monday 28th February 02:48
So the money goes into the big pot rather than paying for roads? Should have guessed. It's a tax on car ownership then? Makes more sense. Formulated to push us to lower C02 cars - however - can't see why a 180PS (178bhp) car should come out as zero rated. Also millage is more about pollution than some silly test result, therefore tax fuel - not that I want fuel to go up any more.
Yes I have just paid for another year and it has gone a fair bit, again.
Yes I have just paid for another year and it has gone a fair bit, again.
The tory's put fuel tax up in the 70's as a step to abolish road tax but didn't abolish it so you already pay it twice, once on the fuel & once on the disc. If they increase fuel tax to abolish vehicle excise duty they'll only do the same again & wont abolish it, they'll re-market it as something else so you'll be paying it three times. Is it a good idea to put ved on fuel again? No.
It's not hypothecated to road maintenance, but then very few uk taxes are hypothecated - the fishing and TV licences are the only ones that spring to mind. People with a political axe to grind tend to make a bigger deal of this technicality than it really deserves - it always seems to me like arguing that a diner did not pay for his part of the bill because the money went into a heap in the middle of the table before it went to the cash register.
I don't have a political axe to grind, but VED does pi55 me off big time! I don't quite get how it's all calculated!! How one car, same type, model etc can be so much more money by being a year younger! I pay £435 a year for my car, but due to the fact I work overseas, the car sees the road, maybe, for 3 months of the year. If I knew exactly when I was coming and going, sure I could SORN it, re-tax it etc, but it's not practical!
A 180PS twin-turbo with boasts zero road tax..... whats to grumble about here? Id take 180PS (although maybe not diesel) and not have to pay any VED.
Unless the goverment changes the rules in regard to CO2 output, I reckon very, very few new cars will need to pay VED in 5 years time.
Which reminds me, it road tax time for my fossil fuel destroying V6 Merc. I hate VED.
Unless the goverment changes the rules in regard to CO2 output, I reckon very, very few new cars will need to pay VED in 5 years time.
Which reminds me, it road tax time for my fossil fuel destroying V6 Merc. I hate VED.
diddles said:
A 180PS twin-turbo with boasts zero road tax..... whats to grumble about here? Id take 180PS (although maybe not diesel) and not have to pay any VED.
Unless the goverment changes the rules in regard to CO2 output, I reckon very, very few new cars will need to pay VED in 5 years time.
Which reminds me, it road tax time for my fossil fuel destroying V6 Merc. I hate VED.
Well I guess I could complain that I don't run a 180PS zero tax car Unless the goverment changes the rules in regard to CO2 output, I reckon very, very few new cars will need to pay VED in 5 years time.
Which reminds me, it road tax time for my fossil fuel destroying V6 Merc. I hate VED.
Don't think a petrol car can manage it though, current system favours diesels, not a fan of the black smokers
If too many cars drop to lower bands... one suspects they will move the bands
swerni said:
otolith said:
It's not hypothecated to road maintenance, but then very few uk taxes are hypothecated - the fishing and TV licences are the only ones that spring to mind. People with a political axe to grind tend to make a bigger deal of this technicality than it really deserves - it always seems to me like arguing that a diner did not pay for his part of the bill because the money went into a heap in the middle of the table before it went to the cash register.
not true.All local roads are maintenance comes out of your council tax.
It's only the motorway (Maybe A roads not sure) that come from central government.
ps no axe to grind here
cml said:
Point of clarification - zero road tax applies to the first year - thought it was a bit generous! It's £30 after that! Pah. Never bought a newish car - some of them are £400+ a year - eek!
Rule of thumb:
Tax I pay = totally unfair, I am poor
Tax others pay = far too low, tax the rich!
Road Tax funds the DVLA and NOTHING ELSE!Rule of thumb:
Tax I pay = totally unfair, I am poor
Tax others pay = far too low, tax the rich!
£0.00 road tax for the first year?
That's 25% of the value of the car justified then.
A tax exempt classic will either not depreciate at all or go up in value. If you feel guilty about potholes, put the money you save from depreciation, normal insurance (compared to a classic policy), service costs (1971 Triumph Stag for example costs £150 for a full service at Rimmer Brothers compare that to the first service of your new BMW and save over £500) and give it to your council to fill them in. If you feel guilty about CO2 use the money you save to buy a load of trees.
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