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They laughed at Rafa because he came over as demonically possessed during the press conference. FACT.
As much as I dispise the Manc scum, I actually think there is only a storm because it's Rooney and Man United. If it had happened between Wigan and Wolves nothing would've been mentioned.
As much as I dispise the Manc scum, I actually think there is only a storm because it's Rooney and Man United. If it had happened between Wigan and Wolves nothing would've been mentioned.
MaxAndRuby said:
They laughed at Rafa because he came over as demonically possessed during the press conference. FACT.
As much as I dispise the Manc scum, I actually think there is only a storm because it's Rooney and Man United. If it had happened between Wigan and Wolves nothing would've been mentioned.
But that player would have been sent off, instead of receiving a friendly arm round the back. As much as I dispise the Manc scum, I actually think there is only a storm because it's Rooney and Man United. If it had happened between Wigan and Wolves nothing would've been mentioned.
the referee didnt see it, the linesman didnt see it, the ref cant do anything about it. the ref blows up for a foul granted, but he doesnt see the elbow. he blew up becuase he saw the guy go down and assumes there has been a foul. i am not a man utd fan and i can see there is no conspiracy. if we go down the route of retrospectively giving out red cards after the game then we are turning football into a farce. it doesnt matter who it was, playing against whatever team, it went unnoticed by the officals...
i am astonished that more is being made of this off the ball incident than the fact that ashley cole shoots someone... no one is asking why there was a gun at the training ground or why ashley cole had it and was aiming it at someone, oh no, everyone just gets worked up into a frenzy because there is a perception that man utd are getting away with something...
i am astonished that more is being made of this off the ball incident than the fact that ashley cole shoots someone... no one is asking why there was a gun at the training ground or why ashley cole had it and was aiming it at someone, oh no, everyone just gets worked up into a frenzy because there is a perception that man utd are getting away with something...
pablo said:
the referee didnt see it, the linesman didnt see it, the ref cant do anything about it. the ref blows up for a foul granted, but he doesnt see the elbow. he blew up becuase he saw the guy go down and assumes there has been a foul. i am not a man utd fan and i can see there is no conspiracy.
Neither can I - at this point. I agree Clattenberg didn't see it - ergo this could be reviewed. The FA have swerved it big time. Definite off the ball elbow which should be able to be dealt with after the match.
pablo said:
... if we go down the route of retrospectively giving out red cards after the game then we are turning football into a farce.
Citing hasn't made Rugby Union a farce- you do something underhand or (illegally) violent you will be caught and punished. But there again RU is a sport where there is still some semblance of respect for officialdom. I much prefer football over RU, but I'd just love FIFA / FA to 'grow some' and introduce RU's code of conduct on ref-ing i.e. only through the captain, with no dissent accepted or expected. The act of screaming abuse at a ref or intimidating a ref should be a straight red (Man U would be down to 8 men every game
). hornetrider said:
You're struggling intellectually again. How would a post match citing process result in teams being down to 8 men?
Read the post above mine.I see what you mean about citing, but I think he suggested that in the game if players started shouting at the ref it would bs straight red. Huge numbers of players do this. Its just that there's so many foreigners in the league that you only see what Ronney is saying
okgo said:
hornetrider said:
You're struggling intellectually again. How would a post match citing process result in teams being down to 8 men?
Read the post above mine.I see what you mean about citing, but I think he suggested that in the game if players started shouting at the ref it would bs straight red. Huge numbers of players do this. Its just that there's so many foreigners in the league that you only see what Ronney is saying
I think players' attitudes towards refs in football has to change but something needs to change the other way too.
I for one cannot understand why there isn't independent timekeeping in football - it works in both codes of rugby and after a few weeks would keep the game up to speed as players would realise time wasted gets added on to the end officially - without subjectivity.
The role of assistant referees needs beefing up - more accountability and responsibility and someone refrees can legitimately go to. waving a flag for offside and throw-ins isn't enough.
refs could do worse than learn the players names. Sunday night, RL world club challenge, referee, Thierry Halibut knew the first names of the both wigan and St. George (from australia) and he used them. That in itself engenders a bit of respect.
abusing the refreee should be punished like in rugby with 5 or 10 yard penalties (I know this was "tried" a few years ago with teh yellow card 10 yard penalty but it didn;t really work).
Finally, video ref HAS to be introduced. Rugby League led the way with this and I know it isn't perfect and at times diminishes the role of the ref - it has started to get better with refs making more calls btw - but in order the make the RIGHT decision, it must be introduced.
I think also for serious foul play or intent, like Rooney's incident it can be used retrospectively to improve the games' fairness.
I for one cannot understand why there isn't independent timekeeping in football - it works in both codes of rugby and after a few weeks would keep the game up to speed as players would realise time wasted gets added on to the end officially - without subjectivity.
The role of assistant referees needs beefing up - more accountability and responsibility and someone refrees can legitimately go to. waving a flag for offside and throw-ins isn't enough.
refs could do worse than learn the players names. Sunday night, RL world club challenge, referee, Thierry Halibut knew the first names of the both wigan and St. George (from australia) and he used them. That in itself engenders a bit of respect.
abusing the refreee should be punished like in rugby with 5 or 10 yard penalties (I know this was "tried" a few years ago with teh yellow card 10 yard penalty but it didn;t really work).
Finally, video ref HAS to be introduced. Rugby League led the way with this and I know it isn't perfect and at times diminishes the role of the ref - it has started to get better with refs making more calls btw - but in order the make the RIGHT decision, it must be introduced.
I think also for serious foul play or intent, like Rooney's incident it can be used retrospectively to improve the games' fairness.
Nom de ploom said:
Some very sensible stuff.....
In addition to getting refs to talk to players, 'mike them up' (again as per RU) so decisions are clear and apparent (also can you imagine the PR out-cry when Rooney and his ilk are caught spurting their obscenities). Another whole discussion, but also regarding time-keeping- do not permit any substitutions in the last 5 (maybe 10?) minutes of the game- if a player is injured, tough!
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