Police shift times
Discussion
Talking of Police shifts, and bearing in mind Police officers are expected to drive response cars to very exacting standards, is it not the case that the std Police shift pattern involves a quick turnaround, ie you finish lates at 10pm, to start earlies at 6am the next morning? and if Police drivers were to have tacho's like Truckers, wouldn't they be breaking the rules? ie. not long enough rest breaks etc?
Our latest pattern is excellent...
2 days
2 lates
2 nights
4 off.
Days 0700-1700
Lates 1300-2300
Nights 2200 - 0700
Every couple of weeks lates are changed to late 1's
1700-0300
Every 5 weeks 1 day off is changed to a training day of 0700-1700.
The last system started with 7 night shifts on the trot
After about 4 nights you were completely wiped out, especially with 2 young children around for most of the day when you are trying to sleep. 
At least with the new system, if you don't sleep when you are on nights, you only have to deal with 48hrs with no sleep....
2 days
2 lates
2 nights
4 off.
Days 0700-1700
Lates 1300-2300
Nights 2200 - 0700
Every couple of weeks lates are changed to late 1's
1700-0300
Every 5 weeks 1 day off is changed to a training day of 0700-1700.
The last system started with 7 night shifts on the trot
After about 4 nights you were completely wiped out, especially with 2 young children around for most of the day when you are trying to sleep. At least with the new system, if you don't sleep when you are on nights, you only have to deal with 48hrs with no sleep....
Whilst the norm is 11hrs consecutive rest for a trucker, he can do up to three quickies of 9 hours in the working week, providing he makes certain adjustments to compensate before the end of the following week. Bit like Police driovers and their rest days?
DVD
Edit: So no cover Mike between 6.30am (coming in) and 7.30am (going out)? What's you Force?????
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 4th May 15:32
DVD
Edit: So no cover Mike between 6.30am (coming in) and 7.30am (going out)? What's you Force?????
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 4th May 15:32
silverback mike said:
At least with the new system, if you don't sleep when you are on nights, you only have to deal with 48hrs with no sleep....
I hope you don't drive in your 48 hours of no sleep!
I work shifts and find it easyer doing longer stints of nights so you can get into the swing of it. The first one is always the hardest but when my head hits the pillow My kids on the weekend don't even wake me up!
It's nice having them days off after though! Our pattern is complicated but you often end up with 6 days off, plenty of chance to do that second job in McDonalds....
The shifts depend not only on which force you work in, but which Division, and which Geographic are in that Division. Our earlies start at 7am, and they've had to get rid of quick changeover, as due to the "new" EU working time directive, we're supposed to have at least 11 hours off between shifts.
We two blocks of nights in five weeks, and I to would rather get them over and done with in one whack. We only get one Friday off every five weeks as well.
Still, B&Q on a Wednesday morning beats B&Q on a Saturday afternoon!
We two blocks of nights in five weeks, and I to would rather get them over and done with in one whack. We only get one Friday off every five weeks as well.
Still, B&Q on a Wednesday morning beats B&Q on a Saturday afternoon!
lunarscope said:
So why are Police Officers allowed to work their rest days at 'overtime' rates for the Scamera Partnerships ?
Because:
1. Guidelines on how to spend the money are strict and most forces have huge amounts of cash generated and not enough to spend it on. So, as much money for overtime for the Scameravanners as they want (more than they can cope with).
2. More shifts = even more revenue = even more overtime.
Shifts vary depending on the system employed and agreed by the relevant staff association and its members.
This is different across the country depending on the needs of the community that is served and the numbers and availability of officers at that place.
Some forces use the Ottowa system which is based on 4 12 hour shifts then 4 off. They ususally start at 0700 and end at 1900. This is worked as 2 day shifts and then 2 night shifts into rest days. This system requires quuite a lot of staff to make it work properly so therefore it is favoured by the more urban busier stations such as larger towns and major cities.
I believe the Met still have the old 0600-1400 system at quite a few of its stations.
Most days start at 0700 hours and are based on either 8 or 10 hour shifts depending on the needs of the particular station.
EU employment law saw the old system of 7 shifts on and 2 off banned because of the amount of night shifts involved in one hit. This has been replaced with a system called rapid rotation where the shift starts on a day basis and ends up ending on night shift into days off
In my force the ARV system has had to go back to the old 7 day rota to cope with the cover that is required.
7 days 0700-1500, 1500-2300, 2300-0700, and 2 days off between them ending ina 4 day long weekend.
So, as you can see there are many permutations of hours worked to provide maximum cover at times where need is greatest. All core shifts are supported by staff such as Home Beat Officers that work shifts from 0800 through to 0200 and other uniform departments that supplement the cover in busy times such as late shifts at weekends etc.
This is different across the country depending on the needs of the community that is served and the numbers and availability of officers at that place.
Some forces use the Ottowa system which is based on 4 12 hour shifts then 4 off. They ususally start at 0700 and end at 1900. This is worked as 2 day shifts and then 2 night shifts into rest days. This system requires quuite a lot of staff to make it work properly so therefore it is favoured by the more urban busier stations such as larger towns and major cities.
I believe the Met still have the old 0600-1400 system at quite a few of its stations.
Most days start at 0700 hours and are based on either 8 or 10 hour shifts depending on the needs of the particular station.
EU employment law saw the old system of 7 shifts on and 2 off banned because of the amount of night shifts involved in one hit. This has been replaced with a system called rapid rotation where the shift starts on a day basis and ends up ending on night shift into days off
In my force the ARV system has had to go back to the old 7 day rota to cope with the cover that is required.
7 days 0700-1500, 1500-2300, 2300-0700, and 2 days off between them ending ina 4 day long weekend.
So, as you can see there are many permutations of hours worked to provide maximum cover at times where need is greatest. All core shifts are supported by staff such as Home Beat Officers that work shifts from 0800 through to 0200 and other uniform departments that supplement the cover in busy times such as late shifts at weekends etc.
Plotloss said:
I was told that in the Thames Valley if you are going to speed that between 7am and 7.30am is about the best time to do it... 
There was also something about 1 car west of some garage or other but I didnt really follow that bit.
As far as I am aware, Roads Policing dept shifts start at 0700. Change from nights to day cover happens at this time so there are less likley to be speeding enforcement measures available to catch you in this guise for the half an houtr after 0700 while the new shift briefs itself.
I also understand that many of the Camera partnership vans start at 0600, so don't be over optomistic about hooning between 0700 and 0730. You may be unlucky!
Why have a few of the people who replied to this think i'm tring to find out when there will be no coppers on the road to stop me for speeding?
I asked, as i'm starting my police training soon and am interested in what shifts i'd likly be working afterwards.
Thanks for all the replies guys
Lee
I asked, as i'm starting my police training soon and am interested in what shifts i'd likly be working afterwards.
Thanks for all the replies guys
Lee
Dwight VanDriver said:
Whilst the norm is 11hrs consecutive rest for a trucker, he can do up to three quickies of 9 hours in the working week, providing he makes certain adjustments to compensate before the end of the following week. Bit like Police driovers and their rest days?
DVD
Edit: So no cover Mike between 6.30am (coming in) and 7.30am (going out)? What's you Force?????
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Tuesday 4th May 15:32
You are more likely to get away with it at this time, but there are always overlap cars out....
xxxxxxrich said:
At least with the new system, if you don't sleep when you are on nights, you only have to deal with 48hrs with no sleep....
I hope you don't drive in your 48 hours of no sleep!
I work shifts and find it easyer doing longer stints of nights so you can get into the swing of it. The first one is always the hardest but when my head hits the pillow My kids on the weekend don't even wake me up!
It's nice having them days off after though! Our pattern is complicated but you often end up with 6 days off, plenty of chance to do that second job in McDonalds....
Never had 48hrs with no kip, so have had no problems with my driving.
Second job
gone said:
I was told that in the Thames Valley if you are going to speed that between 7am and 7.30am is about the best time to do it...
There was also something about 1 car west of some garage or other but I didnt really follow that bit.
As far as I am aware, Roads Policing dept shifts start at 0700. Change from nights to day cover happens at this time so there are less likley to be speeding enforcement measures available to catch you in this guise for the half an houtr after 0700 while the new shift briefs itself.
I also understand that many of the Camera partnership vans start at 0600, so don't be over optomistic about hooning between 0700 and 0730. You may be unlucky!
Not that's there is much change of speeding in the Thames Valley at 7AM on a weekday morning!
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